Faith Over Fear: Self-Love, Signs, & Spiritual Freedom with Veronica Kelly

A little soulful Sunday, featuring my girl Veronica Kelly, is coming out a day early in case you want to hop into her free event, 'Finally Breaking Free,' which starts on October 13th!

What happens when you start choosing and feeding faith over fear?

In this heart-opening episode, I sit down with my soul sister Veronica Kelly, a Self-Love and Freedom Master Coach, to explore what it means to trust divine timing, heal your relationship with your body, and walk through the fire (literally) with grace.

We talk about receiving signs from spirit, breaking free from perfectionism, and finding safety, acceptance, and love for our bodies after years of judgment, diets, and shame.

You’ll hear stories of synchronicity, body image healing, and a guided EFT tapping session to help you soften your nervous system and come home to love.

Timestamps:
00:00 Red Clay Strays, faith, & asking for signs
03:58 Veronica’s early encounters with Jesus
09:25 Faith vs. fear: choosing what you feed
12:32 Baptism, fire, & a miracle in Costa Rica
17:26 Leaving Hollywood to follow a divine calling
24:25 Mold, intuition, & moving through fear
33:08 Stonehenge, sacred sisterhood, & implementing rituals
40:23 God in the bedroom
48:42 Guided EFT tapping
55:19 Healing body image & self-acceptance
58:01 Veronica’s “Finally Breaking Free” challenge

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Chapters

• 0:00 Red Clay Strays, faith, & asking for signs
• 3:58 Veronica’s early encounters with Jesus
• 9:25 Faith vs. fear: choosing what you feed
• 12:32 Baptism, fire, & a miracle in Costa Rica
• 17:26 Leaving Hollywood to follow a divine calling
• 24:25 Mold, intuition, & moving through fear
• 33:08 Stonehenge, sacred sisterhood, & implementing rituals
• 48:42 Guided EFT tapping
• 55:19 Healing body image & self-acceptance
• 58:01 Veronica’s “Finally Breaking Free” challenge

Transcript

Kristin (00:00.332)
All right, y'all, let's do this. Another episode of Sex, Drugs, and Soul. Today I have on one of my dear friends and cheerleaders, like one of those people that'll call you whenever they know that you're going through a tough time. She also happens to be a self-love and freedom master coach and just a badass human all in all. And so I love you so much and I'm happy to have this conversation with you.

done a lot of episodes recently about sex and so I figured we'd highlight a lot of faith, their soul, spirituality. Today, I feel like it's been really present for me, especially like coming off freaking red clay strays, like how dope was that?

Oh my God, that was such a good show. And thank you for having me. It is such an honor to sit and share space and talk. And I just, I love your podcast and thank you for letting me be a part of it and bring some value.

I'm hoping some people will just feel like they're eavesdropping in on our conversation and have the takeaways to go with it. Yes. Right? I know. So I guess I want to start with some of the concert.

Yeah, it's funny, they literally were just playing in my car when I turned it off.

Kristin (01:10.51)
Like I, just because, you know, it's so alive for me, like that morning how I asked for a sign and you know this, but just for context for people. Like I, that morning I've been like revisiting scripture after old Austin Tice gave me a call and like told me a story. He's like, I think that your belief in all things working out for good stems from Romans 8.28. And I was like, well, I it from my mom. So that might track. So I've kind of been like just diving into scripture, seeing what resonates for me more. But like the last,

month has been super fucking challenging. I, was like Sunday.

Yeah.

Kristin (01:51.79)
I asked for a sign, I'm like, God, like I need a sign, like I need to know whether to give this up to just keep pushing through. I'm like, I need a sign. I'm like, show me. And like I had woken up that morning, like my eyeballs were like ping. I was like, thank you for today. And just like had my meditation and then just was like going through some things and like seeing what I needed to shift or like, do I change the podcast title or, cause like I've been doing some censorship stuff. But so we go to the concert that night.

on Sunday, wasn't expecting it at all. And I'd kind of forgotten that I'd asked in some ways, which is good, right? Set and release. And then they told their story of like just holding their faith, not giving up and working hard for it. And I was like, right. And I tears in my eyes and I was like, I got my sign.

And I love too that they spoke about how that was the biggest concert that they'd sold out. And like we were part of their biggest group of people and how that was so inspiring to them because it gets kind of jaded when you watch people perform or people do stuff that's polished that do it all the time. But for us to feel so appreciated as the audience as being a big moment for them was like, it just wore my heart.

For sure. And then like getting the inside scoop on like, okay, they were like driving for Uber to like make ends meet during COVID and didn't know if they were going to press through or whatever and make it. so, and I want to tie up and T what, and you were like freaking out. They're like, they're talking about Jesus here. And, and kind of what Josh, like, you know, what the takeaway was for him on the cup, some of the conversations that y'all had. Cause I know your faith is like, I mean, she asked me if we, wanted to pray before this podcast and already had my little

like what I was saying on the drive over here. But she's like the friend, I'm like at every meal she's like, you wanna say a blessing before we eat? And I'm like, yes, so we'll be just out in public like do do do do. And I'm like, sometimes I'm like, I'm like, hurry it up. Wrong, I'm hungry. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's eat. And so how long, I mean, I guess how long have you had that relationship?

Veronica Kelly (03:58.702)
Yeah, so I love, as you know, the topic of faith. Faith over fear is one of my most favorite things to educate on and it's something I bring into my own life all the time. And so I would love to talk faith versus fear in a few moments, but to answer your question, so for me, I have had Jesus come to me since I was really little. And there was a lot of instability in my house when I was a little kid. And until I moved in with my grandparents, it was just my...

My parents were really young, doing the best that they could to raise a toddler. My father was a musician and they were both just strapped. And when I was really little and alone, Jesus would come to me. And I didn't know who it was, but the spirit and the energy of Jesus and Mary were always around me when I was little. I've had that gift of being able to connect with spirit and feeling presence and seeing presence. And then I was in Catholic church. I want to say it was Sunday school.

either first grade or kindergarten. And they were talking about Jesus and Jesus was on the wall. And I was like, I know him. And the nuns were like, yes, everybody should know Jesus. I was like, no, he comes to my house. Like, that's my friend. And I guess I was upsetting the other kids because Jesus didn't come to their house. And so I actually got in trouble for saying that I had a personal relationship with Jesus in my life as a six-year-old. And they called my grandparents and were like,

this isn't, she needs to just tone it down that she's hanging out with Jesus. The other kids are getting jealous, we da da da da da da. And so I got moved from that school. So my grandma was like, isn't that what you want, is to have a personal relationship with Jesus? And so then just moving forward, he has always been an inspiration to me. And then I did Youth for Christ, I did all of them, all the different things. did hosted Sunday school, I had led youth groups.

But what I really appreciate is I was able to find him in a way that wasn't attached to a specific religion. like, yes, cause there was Serbian Orthodox, there was Catholicism, was like Pentecostal. Everyone in my family had a different version of faith. And so my dad was like, we're not gonna, she's gonna choose who she wants to go to church with. She's gonna choose if she wants to get baptized or not. And let's just let her explore, which is a wild gift.

Kristin (06:19.744)
Yeah, a beautiful gift because I think for so long I had associated or attached it to what I'd grown up with and so there was a kickback. Did you ever at any point have any like waverings or moments of like death?

only time I didn't want to see Jesus is when I was at Serbian Orthodox Church with my granny on Sunday mornings and she was always late and as they leave the European women would kiss the picture of Jesus with a plexiglass so by the time we got it it had a mound of lipstick on it. So that was when I was terrified to see Jesus' face because of the lipstick.

And now I'm like, okay, come here, baby.

But no, he's been just a confidant, a rock, a healer, a friend, and just one of the most important and spirits in my life.

I mean, like such a beautiful gift to like make your and create your own relationship versus like feeling like you got to fit into some box. Whether it's like one that society is like pressuring us to be in or like one that we feel like we have to try to squeeze in ourselves, even though it's like we can color outside the lines. And I loved what one of our friends had said too, after have conversating with you about your relationship. He's like, I feel like you just undid years and years of religious trauma.

Veronica Kelly (07:33.422)
Which makes me like so happy because I understand the fact that I was so hungry that I got to read different texts. I got to go to Mormon school with one of my friends. I got to learn about Islam from another one of my friends. So I never had this, you have to do this in order to get this or else you're a bad person. That was never part of my awareness and my relationship and my faith. And so when I see people who were brought up in this shame, I'm like, that's the exact opposite then.

the Jesus I know, the Jesus I know is like, you're forgiven, you can do better. And if you fall again, you're still forgiven. Just sits in your heart where you coming from. And so that loving presence of love in light and complete acceptance, exactly the way you are, complete possibility for you to do anything that you want, as long as you're helping other people is the freedom that Jesus offers to me. So when I hear all of the other programs that was the opposite, it breaks my heart.

Yeah, mean, because it colors your whole worldview. Like if you have like any actions you're making and it's interesting. But I mean, that just speaks to like the profoundness of like your presence or just like communicating, like sharing stories of upbringing, right? Like it wasn't like, we're going to talk about this now. It's just like sharing and now it all transpired. And I think that's really cool.

And I love, you know, when I do recall the conversation. So we were talking with a friend of ours after the show, and he was talking about his scarred relationship with Jesus. And I was just like, Jesus loves you no matter what. And he's like, but I've been so bad. I've done this. I've done that. I was like, it does not matter. You get to love yourself too. And it's OK. It is 100 % forgiven. 100%. And I just remember him being like, oh, that's such a relief.

And so that to me is like the most important part of the teachings on how to let love be the pathway in which you're walking your life down.

Kristin (09:25.39)
Yeah, it's like what would love do? And I love the reframe recently that a teacher of mine gave me about moving from love instead of for it. And like just that energetic shift. And I you wanted to touch on faith and fear too, so I don't want to lose that little pinpoint.

Yes. This is one of my favorite ways, and I educate on this all the time, to look at faith and fear together, is that faith and fear both want the exact same thing from you. They want you to put your energy and your awareness into something that has not happened yet. Whether it's the good or the bad, it hasn't happened yet. And whatever we give our attention to is literally what we create. So do you want to create worst case scenario?

or do you want to create best case scenario? And every opportunity we take a breath, we get to choose where we're gonna put our next moment of attention. And one other thing I like to say about that, Michael Bernard Breckwith says that Bob Marley always would say that worrying is like saying prayers to the devil, asking for more and more and more of it. So that faith, worth of spirit, it's it just allows you in every breath,

You're just

Veronica Kelly (10:39.768)
get to make a new opportunity. Best case scenario, where the world is on my side, worst case scenario. But the choice is always up to you because if you think it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.

Yeah, that's why I think it's so important to be conscious of what we're consuming or where we're directing our energy or attention and feeding it and what feeds. If the feeling is the feedback, what's feeding that fear and what's feeding that faith? It's just.

And it's like meditation, like another tip I'd love to give the listeners is that when we're in that Shavasana state, I'm also a yoga teacher, and when we're in sweet Shavasana and we're quieting our minds, we're not gonna fight with a thought when it comes. We're gonna see it and say, I'm not choosing to engage with you and I'm gonna come back to stillness. I'm not choosing to engage with you, I'm gonna come back to stillness. Well, whenever a fierce thought comes, it's the exact same process. You just say,

Thank you for trying to keep me safe here, but today I'm turning my attention back to faith. Every time it comes.

Yeah, one of the most powerful books, I'm like top five for sure, is The Untethered Soul. absolutely. Because that one was like, you mean I'm not my thoughts? I'm the observer. And then I can actually choose better thoughts for myself that feed myself or my vision or what I want to create in the world. yeah, so that was just like, poof, poof.

Veronica Kelly (12:03.63)
That's what yoga did for me. It just really allowed me to go, wait a minute, I just went three minutes without a thought. Cool. And then realizing I choose no thank you or I choose yes please when it comes to the thoughts in my head.

Yeah. And then just realizing that even in those trying times that we do have, like I believe like having that faith helps us to get through it. Yeah. Were there any challenging moments in your life where your faith helped you get through it?

Veronica Kelly (12:32.208)
my God. Today or this week or my life?

I mean, we could go back to young Veronica, we could go to teen, know, can throw some hormones in there, we can...

So I'll tell you a funny story. So last year, not this year, but the year before, I was in Costa Rica for a friend's wedding, got baptized in the ocean. It was beautiful with a couple other people from the wedding. was in the wedding. it was... I know you know the story.

haha

As I was leaving the resort and I was going to visit other friends, I went on the less traveled side of the island and I rented a car. And I'm going along in this car and I don't really see anybody. And the thing about Costa Rica on that side of the island is typically they let fires roam and that's how they clear out the dead parts of the forest, I guess, because it's so healthy stuff doesn't burn with a small fire. So there's always some little fire off in the distance or whatnot.

Veronica Kelly (13:36.194)
So I'm leaving the resort. had so much anxiety that day, just out of nowhere. But then my friend's husband was like, well, you're driving alone in a foreign country. You should have a little bit of anxiety, Veronica. And so I'm going around this corner, and it's starting to get smoky. And by myself, there's no internet. It is a two-lane road in the jungle in the middle of Costa Rica. And I don't see any other cars. No cars are coming towards me. I turn a corner, and it is fire.

fire to the left of me. The fire was as tall as my window to the right of me. It was about three feet. I couldn't see in front of me. I started to have a 100 percent breakdown and I was like fight, flight or freeze. I froze like I couldn't even put my foot to move the gas because it was I was being consumed by flames. And in that moment, I heard this really strong voice that was like, breathe. And I

And I was like, God, please help me get through this if that's your will. And within a few moments, I was able to start operating my car again, but it was still full fire. And so I was driving slow enough that I didn't catch the wheels on fire. I mean, slow enough so I didn't hit another car or tree, but not too fast or not too slow that I didn't catch my wheels on fire. And so I'm going at this weird space and then I'm like in my head, I was like, there's no way that

God is gonna let me die the day I got baptized. And then I was like, shit, is that why I got baptized today? Because this is the day I die?

Hahaha

Kristin (15:17.262)
I'm kind of poetic in some way.

Right? But no, there was that faith I could not, literally couldn't see in front of me. It was hot. I didn't know if I was to turn around or what I was supposed to do. I was 100 % alone. And God was just like, keep moving forward, breathe. Keep moving forward, breathe. And I heard it as like the day was long. And then I went around another corner and it cleared up. And obviously I'm fine.

Yeah.

Kristin (15:43.694)
It's like one breath, one step at a time. That's kind of a good story and like analogy or metaphor for the world. Because what fires are all around us or whatever. But if you have like a true north of faith or a vision or purpose or love or something, right? I feel like instead of focusing and directing your attention to

this chaos over here, this fire over here, or this one, then just moving on.

keep moving forward. And I could have turned around and that's probably the most literal example of faith because I could not see where I was going but God was like, move forward, keep breathing. And then in like less dramatic senses, when I moved my, when I was really going all in on myself and I just moved to Austin and I chose to completely leave entertainment and I only wanted to do stuff that was helping humanity and share the gifts and the tools and the skills that I have in my practice.

It was really hard because I got paid a lot of money. I was doing producing for commercials, was doing acting for commercials, I was doing working on set coordinating. It was a good amount of money, but it was literally sucking my soul dry. And so teaching yoga gave me so much value, working with clients gave me so much value, but selling these products that I wouldn't even use in my body was like, I just felt like I was living a sham. Completely.

Yeah, it's an authenticity. Exactly. I mean, it's like one thing if you're promoting a product that you love, like Camille and Cold Brew, who I want to sponsor me. Versus a product that you don't. Yeah. Right.

Veronica Kelly (17:20.589)
We're here.

Veronica Kelly (17:26.126)
And when I came here, I had gotten to this point where I was like, I had enough savings for a little while. I like, I'm gonna do one or two remote jobs just to help with coordinating. But I was like, I wanna go all in on my mission, which is self love and freedom and build from the ground up here in Austin where I didn't really know anybody. And I would just trust the signs. Like the first job that I got at hosting ceremony in sound bath.

I was just at lunch with somebody. She's like, do you wanna go get cacao at this meditation place? And I was like, where? Sure, I love cacao. And we went into there and Third Eye Meditation Lounge was there. And they had a bulletin board and I was hosting an event. So I was like, hey, can I put my flyer up on your thing? And she's like, we usually just do this for our people. I was like, how do I become one of those? And she was like, well, what do you do? And I was like, I do sound and ceremony. And she's like, we just lost our Friday night sound girl. And I was like, well, you're welcome. Here I am. And then that's like how I started to build.

You

When I finally said no more production jobs, because I didn't want to spend one more ounce on something that wasn't lighting me up, I was really, really scared. And I had this moment where I just was like, you know what? If God provided for me, and I had a lot of success doing things like bartending, where I wasn't helping anybody, or doing things that didn't light me up, like selling products I would never use, now that I'm going all in on my gifts and doing something to serve humanity, there ain't no way in hell.

that I'm not gonna be completely provided for. But it was scary, like that's going all in on yourself, which you very much know about, is scary. There was moments where I was like, not gonna hurt my bills.

Kristin (19:03.958)
Mm-hmm. And I kind of like, two things came up. One, I'm like, I think you might have been helping while you were bartending to, like, listening to people or just sharing your energy, your insight. So that came up for me. But also, like, courage. Like, the courage to ask. Like, you're going up to, like, the third-eye peeps and, and be like, well, how do I become one of those people? Because I don't know if people will really put themselves out there like that all the time or, like, go face-to-face or ask a question and, like, what's the worst that's going to happen? Like, they say no. Well, is it any different than before?

instilled you to have that courage to put yourself out there and to...

love courage because courage is being able to sit with the fear and move forward anyways. it's not lack of fear, that's for certain. But I really trust the signs. Like when I'm in, like, and I almost every single day of my life, I ask, God, show me what to do, what to say, and to who. Like, I'm yours, like, how can I serve best? Like, that's my prayer almost every day. And it was really big then because I was looking to create community and find income.

So the second I saw an opportunity where I could be a part of a company that I felt really good about, of course I'm gonna ask, you know? But maybe not get the email or maybe not do the email. That could have been a hindering thing, but I was like, I'm emailing her right now. I'm almost got a...

I'm motivated. I'm motivated. I don't really want to live in my car. Yes. Well, and I'm glad you did too, because that's where we met. Yeah. I like the sound bath. And I was wanting to find a little more community. I kind of stalked you for a little bit.

Veronica Kelly (20:31.342)
Totally

Veronica Kelly (20:39.864)
Three sound baths in a row and I was like, so do you want to make this official or do I need to call the police? Or do I need a restraining order? Like, let me know which direction this is headed.

Grab coffee!

Kristin (20:51.494)
I mean, still don't know. No, I'm kidding.

I think too, you know, a lot about, I did a lot of professional sports and theater and drama. So like when I was in high school, I was like swim team, student government, debate, yearbook, cheerleading. I did so many different things where we got to abdicate for ourselves. And like if you wanted to go and you had to audition for the next thing, or you'd had to go do a campaign if you want to be treasurer of your class junior year, or you'd have to, so I owned and honed a lot of skills of abdicating for myself.

through sports and theater and the arts. And also, I changed schools a lot when I was little. Like every year, year and a half, I was in a new school because just family stuff. And so I think that in order for me to have friends, I had to have a lot of courage. And I mean, I got bullied a lot in eighth grade. So not saying it was always honky-dory and easy because it wasn't. But I think just being the new kid on the block all the time, you just.

learn, I gotta just go forth and try to make some friends and make an opportunity happen for me. And then being in sports, you gotta go, you've gotta try out if you're gonna get to varsity all four years in tennis.

I'm curious if it's like our generation type of thing too, a little bit. Cause like we didn't grow up with like those screens and like have like that kind of connection like through a screen versus like the you had to show up. You had to show up and like, I remember going like door to door to try and sell stuff or you know, just being outside or playing or like making friends at new schools or that sort of thing. So I'm curious too, like how would you suggest like people?

Kristin (22:27.662)
put themselves out there more often or like get in touch because maybe it's a self-worth thing. Maybe you can speak to that if they don't feel like they're worthy enough to speak up or advocate for themselves.

I love to tell people, and you're having a bad day, if you're feeling really isolated, go out and help someone. Even if that's just making five sandwiches at your house, putting them in paper bags, and going and giving them to some homeless people. Like just that act of connecting with another person who's in need helps you to get out of your own head, get out of your own way, bypass that fear so that you can be of the service to somebody else. I like that as a really good, as a good way to get out of your head. Also, I like the smile game.

So I'm gonna smile at five people today that I don't know. And I don't know them, so screw it if they don't say smile back, know, and just having that, today I'm gonna do five people. And I love giving that to my clients that are shy because then by the end of like a week, they're like, I had so many smiles, and it gets you just out of that comfort zone.

and you never know who really needs that smile. Yeah, that was my way of saying hello when I moved to LA for the first time. I was smiling, hey, let's be friends. It's lonely out here.

Hey! Totally.

Veronica Kelly (23:39.66)
I'm from a small town in Montana too. Like if you don't say hi, how are you? You're a jerk.

Yeah, yeah, hi, the way, all kinds of things. it's great.

But I think you're right though, it's definitely a generational thing because you can meet people without actually going up and meeting them and having that security of, we already met online, so I'm gonna meet with this exact time. It's not as scary, even though it might be nerve wracking. But I think it is true that we definitely, our generation had more in-person FaceTime experiences of being liked and not being liked because we didn't have choice.

Yeah, and to put ourselves out there and maybe like build some of the grit or some of the, I don't know, courage to put ourselves out there.

And also, like, I've had, I believe in synchronicities, I believe.

Kristin (24:25.326)
Yeah, have a freaking note in my phone. It's over there I guess but where I'm like synchronicity moment so that whenever one pops up I notate it so I'm like oh I'm paying attention to them they're gonna happen more. But yeah, synchronicity and miracles I didn't mean to cut you off.

That's exactly right. The more you are notating it and saying, thank you, can I get some more? Thank you, can I get some more? The more the universe is going to give you more. And so because I truly believe that I am divinely led and I have such unwavering faith that God's got my back, then that's when the things tend to come into play more easy for me. So when I had the mold poisoning in my old place, I distinctly remember after it was happening and I was in just like, what in the actual F is going on?

and I did not want to move apartments. And so I had mold poisoning in my old home and I came out of nowhere. And one and a half month before she and I are taking a very long retreat to the UK, I find out I not only have black mold poisoning in my apartment, but I can't take any of my furniture with me. So I get to have a whole new home and then buy furniture for an entire two-bedroom home just a few weeks before I'm about to go to the United Kingdom for.

almost a month. And I remember distinctly looking at Leslie, she's a fellow yoga teacher and I was like, you know, she's like, what are gonna do? was like, I don't know, but I know without a shadow of a doubt, there's something even better for me on the other side of this. I know that for a.

And that was that.

Kristin (26:00.608)
Yeah, to me it's like, well, sister, you're gonna burn it all down to the ground and rebuild. And then, or, because I also remember like you were kind of toying with the idea like, should I move, should I not, should I upgrade or go move? And so it's like, I feel like sometimes when we don't listen to that, that was whispers, and you become a yell or like a nudge and then a yell. And I mean, like I've totally done that before.

So I like to say it's either you get a push from the universe, you get a punch, you get a bust. What do you want to get hit by?

I want the whisper. you.

But no, my place now, it is beyond lovely. Like have a beautiful yard, I am in the green bell. Every morning, less than a minute walk, I am at Skyglass looking, like there's no reason why I'm not gonna spend so much time in nature, because it's my actual beautiful backyard. With almost no EMFs, totally quiet, I feel very, very safe there. And it's a stretch than what I was paying before, which I was a little bit afraid not to take it.

I thought I could be safe and stay in this place for another year and I could save this much money and I had all these ideas what I would do, but there was also a part of me that's like, you should probably get out. And then now looking back, I should have listened when my intuition first said so because I had, as you know, a lot of health challenges as a result of that black mold. And because of the most amazing detox products, because of the most amazing EFT practice, which helps your body to detoxify,

Veronica Kelly (27:30.708)
I was able to collapse time and how quickly I healed from my mold path. And I love my new place. So I could have done without the mold poisoning, but had I listened to my intuition first and foremost, then I probably wouldn't have gone through all that.

But yeah, now though you can speak to the mold poisoning and then like help other people through that same journey. Like walk the path. Like, hey, I've been there. Like, this, you know, I was scared about.

Makes you think you're killing yourself. I literally, and this is not figuratively, there was times when I genuinely questioned me. I genuinely questioned what's the point? What am I doing here? Meanwhile, I'm helping dozens of people every week. I was like, know, and I called my two of my best friends from back home and I was like, just have to say these words out loud. I'm questioning this. I'm not gonna do anything, but I'm questioning this. And then of course, my really good friend Susie Q, she's like, great, what's your plan?

And I was like, okay, starting today, I'm gonna do the trail morning and night, no matter what. Starting today, I'm gonna do my own EFT practice on top of, and I made the plan of exactly how to help my mental health so I wouldn't fall. And then when I found out about a month later what was really causing it, it was such a relief that I wasn't just going crazy. It's scary.

Yeah, it's like, phew. Yeah, I told myself, that's kind of like, started, I was like, I'm riding my ship this week. I'm doing my movement, my meditation and prayer. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, oh, the, all the things I just committed to an hour a day riding challenge, kind of a challenge. I'm not gonna use the word challenge, commitment to putting words on the page. I just did like 20, 30 minutes of it before.

Veronica Kelly (28:54.668)
I love it.

Kristin (29:09.742)
this conversation, I was like, that came out nicely. It was so fun. And so it's just like, it's like, we're pivoting. I'm not bypassing the moments where I've got to fall apart because, you know, just like missing my grandma. But I want to talk about London a little bit too. I'm like, let me talk to the time. Okay, we're good.

love that.

Kristin (29:28.974)
So I'm like, gotta like peek over and see. Oh yeah, I'm also gonna watch. Duh. What is time anyway? Oh girl, I Okay, yeah, London. Yeah, I didn't know if I was gonna be able to be in the same hotel room with someone, anyone, even a lover. For like, what is it, two and a half, three Two and a half, three weeks. Yeah, one good stretch. I was like, this is gonna be challenging for me. Same. Yeah, because whenever I first signed up, Marie was like, oh, I got you in this single and da-da-da-da.

And so whatever you told me that, she's like, we're gonna be bunking together. I'm like, we are? like, yeah. I'm like, okay. And I'm like, happy to have you there, a freaking course. Like you're my sister. But then I'm like, also like, okay, but I do need my like solo recharge. How are we gonna navigate this? And like, whether it's dating, friendships, you travel with somebody, you know, it's gonna be like, you know whether that boat is gonna keep on. And so.

I don't get my own room?

Veronica Kelly (30:25.973)
100%. 100%. I love that. And then not only did we share a bed for the first weekend in London, then we shared a room when we were in Glastonbury, then we shared another bed afterwards. I was at the end of like our like 10 days, I was like, so what do you do on this weekend? Do you want to go to London together?

Yeah, and at first I was supposed to go to Brands. I'm like, redirected to have that weekend, that last weekend in London. I was like, let's play by ear. I was like, I might want to have my own hotel room by the end of this trip. you know, if towards the tail end of it, we're still golden.

And then when it came to the end, was like, so I miss you already.

Yeah, it was like the tiniest room ever.

Yeah. Soho Shoreditch. You're this big. Yeah. Thank you.

Kristin (31:07.158)
Yeah, we like Dean Street Townhouse. Yeah, that was so fun. Like what were, do you want to give any like cool takeaways or moments or just like highlights of any insights or just, I mean, okay, for me, I'm like, Lionsgate, at Stonehenge, meditating. It's never been.

Yeah, so I've been to Stonehenge before. and I'd done the tour, which the majority of the population has, which is just the walk around on the outside. You saw it after we had the private meditation. And it's fine, but there's so many people and the guards are there. And it's just, it's not really a sacred scenario where you get to really feel the sacredness of it. And so when I found out that we were gonna have a private meditation at Stonehenge, that's when I was like, you.

You've got to be kidding me. Like that is a total game changer. So spending like Lionsgate portal, which is, you know, such a powerful astrological event and where we are in the sky in relationship to the Sirius star and having it be on the same ley lines as Egypt is on 8-8 by ourselves being led through meditation and dancing and praying and singing and drumming. That was...

an opportunity that is so primal and lit my soul up so much. It was so familiar because those sacred sites, they're living places. They're not meant to be looked at from afar. And I understand thousands of people shouldn't be walking around. They want to preserve it. get that. However, having that opportunity to actually be in the energy of the sacredness of that site, life-changing.

I felt like I was teleported to past times, also present. I'm like, it was pretty dope. Wild. Yeah. Absolutely And it wasn't necessarily like at the top of my list. Like if it had, you know, it wasn't something I'm like, oh Stonehenge, that's on my, you know, travel must see list. And then I was like, oh cool, it's cool that it's a part of this. When I got there, I'm like, okay, this is one of the most profound things that...

Veronica Kelly (33:08.704)
Right. And that's the funny thing is it's the opposite. It was always on my list. And then I had an opportunity to go to London and sing like 15 years ago. And I just went with the bus tour and I was so disappointed. It was like the opposite where I was like, I was really excited to go. And then I went and I was like, cool. So now to actually get a chance to experience the magic of it is game changing. I'll. Yeah.

Yeah. I also love the wells. The one where we did a skinny dip and... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Super cold plunge.

That's our cold punch skin tip.

I love the sacredness of, you know, allowing for you to cleanse yourself through water. It's not just a Christian scenario. That is an ancient practice in multiple cultures. And so like the baptismal and the sacredness of rebirthing yourself in water is so profound when it's done in a place of reverence. So having all of us women together inside of these ancient freezing cold springs and singing and like...

and multiple cultures.

Veronica Kelly (34:11.201)
the nudity of just being in our authentic selves together with no judgment. It was really, really special. And I definitely, maybe because I sat in the cold punch for like 10 minutes, but I had a complete out of body experience there as well. Like just singing and like chanting and being in the flow.

Yeah, that was

And I just love too, like the sacredness, because one of the things I do in my practice with my clients is making just rituals out of whatever it is, even if it's just coffee outside with a journal and some birds.

for sure. mean, do the, I mean, like, being a water, I do that shit in the shower. I'm like, I'm visualizing the water coming down and just like the shit going down the drain, you know, cleansing. like, okay, what do I want to rain down on me? Inspiration, love. Do I really want to feel the warmth of the water on my skin? Maybe do want to like touch myself in like a reverential way? I mean, like anything can be made a ritual. And savoring life. I feel like that brings us into the present moment versus being up here all the time.

100%.

Veronica Kelly (35:14.446)
100%. And I really loved being able to unplug, even though was quite a long time in that retreat, but to completely unplug for that many days and just be in the reverence of life was so special. And I would love to just keep inviting people to bring more sacredness and more rituals into their day instead of go, go, go, go, go, go, go, because anything, even a warm cup of tea.

can be a offering of self-love to yourself if you intend it to be that.

I mean, yeah, you can pick like super, super simple things. Playing a favorite song and dancing to it or like to me in a way of romanticizing life in a way too. It's like, how am gonna make this moment, this next chapter, like just that much more reverential, sacred, loving. Yes. Unplayable.

All of the things that we enjoy and what we appreciate appreciates. So the more that we're celebrating the simple things in our life, then the more great spirit gives us to celebrate, period. And there's a yogic tradition in the Yamas that talks about how it's not necessarily about don't steal, but it's the energy.

the hungry ghost that makes you wanna take from others. And always, no matter how much you have, you still are hollow inside. And to flip that is to love everything you have. Even if it's the smallest thing, even if it's one box of mac and cheese that's gonna get you for three dinners as a side dish. Loving each of those ones, mean, so grateful that you had that one box that you can spread into three meals or whatever that looks like. I just really love mac and cheeses, you know?

Veronica Kelly (36:59.704)
But finding that the more that we can adore and bring sacredness into the small things, the more our life builds in that manner and then we attract what we are.

Yeah, I feel like it's like that reverting back to gratitude. Agreed. In the same, yeah, the other day I was like, I need to go stand outside on my grass. Yeah. Feel the wind against my skin and just be like, thankful for the wind against my skin. I'm thankful for feeling the earth and for my little shit head of a dog sometimes, but he's my shit head. know? It's Or like the feel of my cozy blanket or having like a soft bed and a roof over my head, like things that.

Yeah.

Kristin (37:39.47)
you it doesn't have to be like this grandiose thing, or like the people in my life that I have that show up for me. Cause like we were seeing, even, you know, taking it back to Red Clay Stray's, we were saying, I want to be loved. And you're like, I love you, you are loved. And I'm like, I know, I love you too.

and he was singing about Jesus and God and it was just like, I just love hearing that in the mainstream.

That's cool. Yeah, he was like, you know, we're not trying to fit in a box and be a Christian band, but we are a band of Christians or, you know, like singing our song about revival or praising this. And he's like, we're not trying to force you on anything. We know people have different beliefs.

celebrating what I love. And that's what we get to do.

Yeah, and how can we allow other people to celebrate things that necessarily don't align with our ideology? 100 % That's a form of love!

Veronica Kelly (38:24.23)
I can disagree with you completely and still want your whole family to eat. Always, no matter what. think that was Tupac that actually said that. You can still, you may be my enemy, but I still want your family to eat. great Tupac. I didn't make that up. But I agree with them. And, you know, having that gratitude and that appreciation for the things, like, if you were, you love, there's common ground. We all have.

Yes, I love that.

Veronica Kelly (38:51.51)
the same basic needs that we want. We want to be loved. We want to have someone to cuddle up to when it's cold. We want a good dinner. We want our families to be safe. We want to be able to have vacations and nourish our bodies. Like these human needs are shared by every single one of us and we get to choose how those enter our lives. And some people that's through a nine to five, others are entrepreneurship. Some people, know, and what a blessing that we get to live in a world where everybody's different.

And the more love that we can foster for each other starts with the more love we have for ourself. We want to criticize others less, criticize ourselves.

Yeah.

To me, yeah, whenever I think of like all the judgment, I'm like, okay, if they're projecting that much outward, how harshly are they like criticizing themselves or judging themselves or maybe not even conscious or aware of it? And then I was like, people can disagree with me or like call me, say this or whatever. And it's like, I love you anyway. May not want to talk to you or have you in my inner circle.

But I would still pray for you and your safety and your right to live whatever way you want to live as long as you're not hurting anybody.

Kristin (39:53.166)
And I kind of believe we're all expressions of God, like experiencing God in one another. Because I'm like, how would God experience this? Oh, we get all these different people. I like this morning, was like, used me as a vessel for good, like God, universe, spirit, gusts. I interchangeable. I was like, use me as a vessel for love, use me as a vessel for you, like show me God. Prayer. I was like, oh yeah. And then I had this thought, and I was like, oh God is everywhere.

Every single day, that's

Kristin (40:23.982)
includes the bedroom. That includes the sexy time. Of course. includes the... Yeah, but I think so many people separate them, you know, and maybe don't have that reverence in it as well. And maybe that's also pounded in our culture. Pounding. I mean to do that. Bet you did. Yeah, but I'm just like, yeah. And then I want to see, okay, we have a little bit of time too.

How do think babies are made of babies or girls?

Kristin (40:50.274)
I'd love at this end before we wrap up to do like a short EFT to give like people a little sampling of it.

So what I love about EFT is basically what we're just saying. So it's a really nice segue. In order to make change in your life or just in your relationship with yourself, you need to accept yourself exactly the way you are. If we think some part of us is bad or some part of us is shameful or wrong, it's still part of us. And so then we somehow think I'm 90 % good, but not this other 10%.

And even if we try to stuff that down or hide it, this is still taking up our energy field and it's still a part of our belief system about ourself. So the very first steps when it comes to, I think, healing the world, but also healing your own life is finding safety in your body and loving and accepting yourself exactly the way you are no matter what, even on your worst day. And so, and then once that baseline of safety is created in our body,

then we can choose to do whatever the heck we want. And our body's like, okay, I trust you. I feel safe. Okay, let's let go of that old pain. okay, I do feel safe. Let's bring in this new job. Or I feel, so it's all about creating love and acceptance for ourselves exactly the way that we are. And then EFT can take you anywhere. Literally anywhere that you wanna go or any change that you wanna do.

believe it, which is rad. yeah. No, it's like, that point of acceptance I think is so important. Like, I accept everything as it is today. Right. And then.

Veronica Kelly (42:19.512)
Crazy.

Veronica Kelly (42:28.302)
And from somebody who understands how consumerism works from being in commercials as long as I have, I know this script. There's no monkeying with it. This is what's wrong with you. This is what your life could look like. And I'll sell you the thing to get you there. That is how all the commercials are. That's how marketing is. Here's the problem. Here's what's wrong with you. Your life could be so much better if only, I have the solution right here.

And all of that starts with the imprint and the lie that we're not perfect and good enough just the way that we are.

yeah, and like when you're done with that product, there's another one. I feel like that ties into too, think when people, you know, I think it can, people can get caught and I know I have before like, and like, okay, next thing, next, it's looking at ourselves like a project to fix or like, okay, what else, what else are all of these, that piece? And it's like, we're not broken.

No. That's one of the things I love to give my clients is a celebration song. just something that just doesn't necessarily have to say celebrate in it. Like mine is a purple hat by Sophie Tucker. It's about dancing in a club with a hat on. It has nothing to do with like the things I'm accomplishing in my life, but it makes me move my body. And so every time you have a win, you put that song on and you just celebrate yourself, even if it's for one minute. And then this starts to create the

biochemicals associated with winning, with feeling good, with being confident. And then it becomes almost like a Pavlonian response where if you have not had a win in a little while, you can put that song on, your body lists those biochemicals, it earnestly changes the field around you and a great opportunity comes.

Kristin (44:08.334)
Love that. I'm like, what is my song? Lately it's been Outlaw Women. Or I love that Hallelujah song that I sent you. Yeah. And then I'm like, hmm. I know I love starting my day. I don't do this every day, but I love when I, you know, the lovely day song. me too. Yes.

Me too. feathers.

I love that song as well. And this one, just having that celebration song is just to your point. That's how you break the moment of next project, next project. You just stop and celebrate yourself because we'll spend time ruminating on what's wrong all day and night, but spending time celebrating ourselves for what's right, oftentimes we miss that.

Oh, for sure. Like one of my friends, I don't know how long ago, several months, she was like, Kirsten, how long, do you ever just stop to take and just like breathe in like what you've done? She's like, you've done this, this, this, and this. was like, I should probably celebrate those a little bit more. Yeah. Like I like writing down little wins and that sort of thing, but I also think I like being in the creative process of, or that journey.

But then there are also, you know, there's definitely a point of like, okay, maybe that, you know, the sense of worthiness on the other side of that or like the pride that I thought I was earning for my dad if I get, you know, X, Y, Z or the love and acceptance, all those things, which I think are relatable for people. Okay, if I get this, then. When it's like, actually, if you're here.

Veronica Kelly (45:37.422)
That's the thing, like this is really tricky and I coach on this a lot as well. That is that perfectionism that if I have this, then I will be lovable or I will be enough when in the reality is we are always enough. However, we live in a society where people are celebrated for having the win and the win and the doing and the thing. Like that's just part of the culture specifically here in America is the achieving and achieving. And that's a very tricky form of self-sabotage.

because the society literally rewards you for doing it and getting it and being perfect and having the best presentation and having the best body. But that really is telling us on a cellular level that I'm not enough exactly as I am. And even on my worst day, even on my biggest mistake, I am worthy, I am lovable, and I'm not gonna take away my own love for myself. And that's the energy that can combat the perfectionism. And having that gratitude for, as you were saying earlier,

having that gratitude, I have my clients and I do this myself, I start every single morning with five things I'm grateful for and two of those better be about myself. Even if it's just, I'm grateful for my sexy legs, I'm grateful for my sore back because at least I can stand up. know, whatever, you know, whatever is real for you at the time and doing it before you do anything else, just like right before your feet hit the ground and just starting your day in that space. And then I love to put on,

Mmm, I like that.

Veronica Kelly (47:04.278)
Louise Hay in the background and her morning affirmations just to get it into the subconscious. Because like what you were saying earlier about what you're consuming, what you're listening to. Yeah, putting those on in the background, gets into your subconscious mind. And even if you're not focusing on it, you're getting, you're hearing, I am enough. There is more than enough. Today's going to be a great day. People love me. I have more than enough. I da da da. And then you played enough. It becomes.

Sure, that-

Veronica Kelly (47:31.916)
that inner monologue that you have without even trying.

think that's a good point too, like right when you wake up and when you're going to sleep, like those prime limbo kind of groggy.

The seven minutes that you open your eyes, you're in hypnagogic state, which is micro theta. And it's right when you're coming out of theta into our regular state of inducing and achieving and realizing cues from our environment. It's very much a hypnotic state. Seven minutes before bed, seven minutes after you wake up. So you don't want to look at your cell phone because just of the lights that are coming at you, even if it's the best content and it's kittens and horses and...

Kittens playing with horses, which is clearly what I love. Those first seven. Cow woman. Yeah. Very much so. Those first seven minutes, like set the alarm off and do anything but poison your brain with a light from your phone. those, whatever you choose is gonna set the tone for the rest of your day, scientifically proven.

Yeah, I love listening to Neville when I go to sleep. I'm like, all right, let me put on a little timer here and listen. Yeah, so good. I'm like, okay, do you want to do a quick? Always. I'm like, what's feeling juicy or alive for you?

Veronica Kelly (48:42.174)
I think that's something just to start off where we were at the beginning, just moving fear and accepting faith and just giving yourself.

Yeah, yeah, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna try to do this with a microphone.

Bye.

my gosh, so many times I've shot stuff with a lav mic and just been like, I'm touching myself, I promise. So we'll just do, how long do we have?

Let's just do maybe like a five minute. Yeah, yeah, okay. And then can wrap up and program stuff like that.

Veronica Kelly (49:10.658)
Great, so we'll just take the basic points and y'all can just watch as we go through. I'll tap along with you. And so we're gonna take some deep breaths. I'm gonna say something, Kristen and y'all at home are going to repeat. Don't close your eyes if you're driving. And if you're with a child, definitely say it out loud because it feels good. so go ahead and just start right on the eyebrow point. Just start to focus on your breath.

Veronica Kelly (49:36.974)
Even though I have been afraid.

even though I have been afraid.

even though I don't truly understand faith right now.

even though I truly don't understand faith right now.

outside the eye, that's okay. I love and accept myself right where I am.

Kristin (49:50.606)
That's okay.

Kristin (49:54.236)
and accept myself right where I am.

Big breath in.

Veronica Kelly (50:01.058)
And even though I may not have felt safe in my body my whole life.

And even though I might not have felt safe in my body my whole life.

under the eyes. I am safe right now.

I am safe right now.

Big breath. Make a hum sound.

Kristin (50:16.526)
NNNN

One more hum, fillet.

NNNN

I accept myself right where I am.

I accept myself right where I am.

Veronica Kelly (50:31.692)
knows and just for the rest of today I'm gonna say no thank you to fear. And if that seems scary we can say just for the next hour.

and just for the rest of today.

I'm gonna say no thank you to fear.

Kristin (50:43.822)
and if that seems scary just for the next hour.

We're not going to focus on any fear.

We're not gonna focus on anything.

I'm gonna open up to best possible outcome.

we're gonna open up to best possible outcome.

Veronica Kelly (50:57.686)
Chin, big breath in.

Veronica Kelly (51:02.35)
So right now I give myself permission to soften.

I give myself permission to soften.

and I fully and completely let go of self judgment and criticism.

and I fully and completely let go of judgment and self-criticism. Just for a while. Because it feels good. I deserve to feel good.

Little laugh.

Veronica Kelly (51:19.95)
Because that feels good. And I deserve to feel good. Test. Big breath in.

AHHHH

I allow myself to soften into faith.

I allow myself to soften into faith.

I've had a lot of things work out for me in my life.

Kristin (51:40.822)
I have had a lot of things work out for me in my life.

So I'm really grateful for that.

I'm really fucking grateful for that.

Side of the ribs. I'm healthy in this body today. My needs are met. So blessed to be alive.

I am healthy in this body today. My needs are met. I'm so blessed to be alive.

Veronica Kelly (52:02.242)
and I love, accept, and forgive myself.

and I love and accept and forgive myself.

top of the head. I'm open to so much good to flow into my life right now.

I'm open to so much good to flow into my life right now.

eyebrow points, and even if I don't know how it's gonna happen.

Kristin (52:20.544)
And even if I don't know how it's gonna happen, I'm open to it happening.

Open to it happening. I'm open to miracles falling in my lap.

I'm open to miracles falling into my lap.

I've got a big soul mission.

I've got a big, soul mission.

Veronica Kelly (52:36.526)
And I'm gonna get out of my way. Just let it flow under the eye. When I lead from my heart, I'm gonna win. And so is everyone else. We're in this together. Big breath in.

And I'm gonna get out of my way and let it flow.

Kristin (52:45.762)
When I lead from my heart, I'm gonna win. And so is everyone else. We're in this together.

AHHHH

the nose, feels good to feel my nervous system settle down.

It feels good to feel my nervous system settle down. I love and accept myself.

I love and accept myself. And even though there's been fear and there'll be fear again,

Kristin (53:11.98)
And even though there's been fear and there will be fear again, I'm safe right now.

safe right now. Shin, big breath in.

Sigh

I love this beautiful body of mine.

I love this beautiful body of mine. I'm so grateful for this health inside of me. I take good care of myself.

Veronica Kelly (53:28.002)
So grateful for this health inside of me.

take good care of myself.

and I'm so grateful that I do.

I'm so grateful that I do. Good job, me. Proud of you, me. I am safe. I am worthy.

Good job, You, me. I'm safe. I am worthy. And I love and accept myself.

Kristin (53:52.684)
and I love and accept myself.

Big breath in, big breath out.

of the rib. So in this moment I'm opening up.

In this moment, I am opening up to-

all the good the universe has for me.

Kristin (54:09.902)
to all the good the universe has for me.

And I love and accept myself as I love

And I love and accept myself as I align in divine time.

divine time top of the head this is the truth i'm creating this is one little breath at a time with faith and love and love and compassion and compassion and let your hands come down

The truth I'm creating one little breath at a time with faith of love and play and shame.

Kristin (54:38.252)
Hmmmm... Hmmmm...

Just let yourself feel in an ocean of love and come on back.

Sounds good.

See that was just four and a half

Four and a half, minutes, so good. Yeah, that's a lie for me too because I sent out an email this morning on how the years of body dysmorphia. And like, so I appreciate that and I love the work that you do and I know you have like a big, beautiful free series coming up. So I'd love to drop it in for the peeps.

Veronica Kelly (55:19.438)
I will say, know, one thing about body dysmorphia, because I had it very, for a very long time. Two things, I used to have a bit in my standup when I did standup at Comedy Store, where I would be like, there's actually a disease for that. It's called, I was like, wait, wait, I talk about body dysmorphia. was like, isn't that just called being a woman? No, it's actually a thing. It's a... And I saw this meme that was like, I wish I was as skinny as I was the first time I thought I was fat. Yeah. Ugh.

Disease.

Kristin (55:47.662)
That's it.

It's just so hard, right?

Well, for me, I was looking through photos several months ago or a month ago, whatever, what is time. And it was younger photos, like 10, 15 years ago. And I was like, wow, I cannot believe I judged myself that hard. I was like, I love myself today. And I'm looking at these thin arms. I'm like, she thought she was fat.

You know

Veronica Kelly (56:10.71)
I know, girl. It's wild. I've got pictures of myself when I modeled, like in swimsuits. I just pulled one up on my phone the other day and I was like, I'm stunning. I'm still gorgeous, but I mean, like, I was like perfectly sized. And in that moment in my head, I thought I was fat and they were gonna have to edit the photos. And I didn't know if I got a dark enough spray tan to cover my cellulite. Like I remember how much trauma I had leading into that photo shoot. And I look back on it now, flawless.

Yeah.

Kristin (56:39.296)
It ties into that marketing piece too. We're bombarded with it in society and culture. Do this and you'll get this. Exactly.

And so that's, know, part of the reason why I'm so passionate about being a self-love and freedom coach is because EFT is one of the primary tools that I use to break that body dysmorphia. That was it. And, you know, even now I'm presently about 10 pounds than I would like to be, but I told myself when I left Los Angeles,

and I was going all in on my love for my body. I was like, will never make her be on a diet again. I will never put this body on a diet again. I don't care if I'm 10 pounds overweight. I don't care. I'll get bigger clothes.

Like I told you the other day, like whenever you're like, look at your booty. was like, yeah, it's my depression booty.

I love it. So that's why I chose to do the work that I do is because of that exact story. One of the main was my relationship to my body. so to segue on that, I am doing a free event called the Finally Breaking Free Challenge. You can go to finallybreakingfree.com and it's October 13th through the 17th. We're gonna do EFT Every Morning with Wisdom Teachings and...

Veronica Kelly (58:01.454)
It's live on Zoom. You can catch the replay if you want to. And then every night I have a bunch of speakers that are coming in, NLP experts, creative experts, money experts, meditation experts, channelers, just a whole poo poo platter, if you will. Jolie Dawn's gonna be on my coach talking about prosperity and Bobby. So many amazing people are gonna be there in the evening times. And I love to offer the speakers because I understand that everybody resonates with something different.

So I'm gonna offer you these skills to break free of the patterns that are keeping you stuck. But I also want you to know there's so many different modalities that you can try. So it's totally free, October 13th, finallybreakingfree.com. And I am so excited to host it again. This will be my third one.

Yeah, it's great. I'm excited for a great group of people. Yeah, like love the lineup. Some people have been on the podcast and more to come. So check it out. And I love you so much. Thank you for coming on and sharing your magic and just being able to see you again. you.

It's so good.