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BONUS: What Is Pussy-Centered Living? Reclaiming Desire in Sexless Marriages | Jenny Braxton

August 18, 2025

In this heart-opening, libido-reviving, shame-shedding convo, I sit down with Jenny Braxton, a somatic sex, love, and relationship coach and founder of Pussy-Centered Living. We cannonball straight into the deep end (no weather chit-chat here) to talk about sexless marriages, postpartum pain, desire dips, and the radical reclamation of our sensuality.

00:00 Cannonballing into sexless marriage + libido convo
02:29 Jenny’s postpartum libido crash + painful sex & healing journey
06:19 Responsibility, sexual shame, and reclaiming desire
11:55 From pain to portal: Jenny’s sexual awakening + self-pleasure path
19:28 Birth as ecstasy + discovering Mama Gena & Pussy: A Reclamation
26:49 What is Pussy-Centered Living? Reclaiming the word & the wisdom
32:31 Emotions, ragegasms, & the full spectrum feminine
41:16 Pleasure as a nervous system regulator
49:03 Simple first steps to connect with pussy
53:07 Life, love, and business ripple effects of pussy power

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Kristin (00:00.654)
Welcome back to Sex, Drugs and Soul. Today I have on Jenny Braxton and she is a somatic sex, love and relationship coach which is awesome because I've been wanting to dive into a tender and delicate topic maybe around sex and marriages and maybe whenever like the sex like kind of is lacking or goes into like a sexless marriage. I'm sorry I just like full send went cannonball into my question.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (00:29.475)
love it. I love it. I'm here for it.

Kristin (00:30.286)
I'm like welcome. I kind of, sometimes I'm like, yeah thanks for calling. think you remember. Some of that I'm like, okay we know the niceties. You know what I mean?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (00:38.435)
Totally. I'm here for the depth, so I'm fine just diving full in.

Kristin (00:43.118)
I'm like, that's my inner introvert coming down. I'm like, I don't want to talk about the weather or how we are. But I have been like craving to talk about, you know, sexless marriages or how we can rekindle long-term relationships, sex, if it's kind of not as sexy and delicious as it once was or how we can keep like the passion alive in certain relationships. So however which way or portal or door we want to enter that conversation topic, because I feel like

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:05.665)
Yeah.

Kristin (01:12.088)
For me, whenever I hear about men stepping outside of our relationship, and or even women, I know I've read some things where the desire for a woman is actually, or she craves, I think it's not as commonly known that she has like that desire for, you know what I mean? Like as far as having trouble with getting my language right this second. Yeah, yeah, but maybe not for her partner or maybe it's just,

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:35.275)
like sexual desire or just like, yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:41.46)
yeah.

Kristin (01:41.966)
or just stepping outside of the marriage. Because I have had several friends. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:44.599)
Yeah, I mean, we're conditioned to believe, we're conditioned that that's the man who wants that, that like, no, the woman isn't gonna want that, but that's just not true. Sorry to interrupt you.

Kristin (01:51.135)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. no, you're good. Now, I've just had some friends, you know, comment about strife within their relationship and being in a sexless marriage. And I think that there's ownership on all parties involved. And that can sound, can ruffle some feathers when I say that. And okay.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (02:11.935)
I mean, let's ruffle some feathers. I'm here for it. Let's do it.

Kristin (02:17.814)
Perfect.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (02:19.949)
So yeah, so to kind of like dive into this, I will first of all say like I have never been in a sexless marriage. I have been, I've been with my husband for 17 years now. We have three children. And so we've definitely, definitely went through a period where my libido tanked, like I didn't want sex. My desire was gone, know, birthing my children. I had all sorts of like pain and sex and all sorts of things. so that's kind of like my experience with it.

Kristin (02:26.882)
Yeah.

Kristin (02:37.766)
No.

Kristin (02:43.149)
Yeah.

Kristin (02:48.61)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (02:49.121)
But what you were just, know, so like I have, I have so much compassion for people who are in a sexless marriage. Like for me personally, and for my husband, like our sexual connection is the foundation of our relationship. Like it is the glue that keeps everything together. And I honestly couldn't ever fathom being in a sexless marriage.

Kristin (03:04.28)
I'm here.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (03:12.995)
And so, know, that's like no judgment, that's just compassion, that's just my own experience. And I think what you just said about how that all parties get to kind of own their responsibility in that, like.

Kristin (03:23.266)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (03:24.535)
100%. And so where I see as women, like what our part of owning that responsibility is, is like diving into our own sexual healing. Because if, and that's not to say that like a sexless marriage is because the woman doesn't want to have sex per se, but I would, you know, without any hard data in front of me, I would venture to say that like that is the scenario, like the majority of the time.

Kristin (03:45.934)
Yeah

Jenny Braxton, She/her (03:47.011)
And so I would say is that like as as the woman like that is our responsibility then to dive in and do that deep inner healing around like why don't I want to have sex and essentially it's because like the the reasons are we have trauma we have conditioning we have literally been programmed over 5,000 years that like

we are not supposed to be sexual beings. Like we will be shunned and cast out of society if we're sexual beings and sex is bad and dangerous and sinful and all of these things. And like this is deep inside of our psyches, all of us, unless we've done the work to decondition this. And so this is why we don't wanna have sex. Like this is why we end up being in sexless marriages or that is a result that can happen.

Kristin (04:21.742)
Mmm... Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (04:36.067)
Once again, not to say it's totally the woman side of things, we get to take our own radical responsibility. And when we do this deep inner work on our own sexuality, it just changes everything.

Kristin (04:43.65)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (04:49.454)
I'm curious, you know, you mentioned like having your like, you know, post pregnancy or navigating like new variables in y'all's dynamic. How did you, did you like approach him with a conversation or about like, okay, I'm not feeling as, you know, passionate as we once were, but I want to get back there or like, how do you, how did you do it? Or like, how would you suggest or like, how did someone begin to do some of that work?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (05:10.007)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (05:13.912)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (05:17.975)
Yeah, absolutely.

Kristin (05:18.926)
throwing all these darts of questions at you.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (05:21.027)
I love it. It's great. great. Throw them all. I'm catching them. Yeah. So for me, the way it really began is that after my first child was born, and I will say that, so my husband and I, we had incredibly potent chemistry right off the bat, and we ended up getting pregnant a month into knowing each other.

Yeah, yeah, it was next level. But the beautiful thing is, is like, neither of us doubt like, we both just knew we're like, okay, like this is like, we were always meant to be together. And we're just like skipping a whole bunch of chapters in our book. And we're like getting ahead. But like, this was always meant to be so. So we so it wasn't long into our relationship before, you know, baby came and really changed things. And what really changed for me, sexually speaking is that

Kristin (05:58.614)
Yeah.

Kristin (06:08.939)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (06:18.435)
Even though I, you know, I didn't tear, it was a beautiful birth. Sex was excruciatingly painful for me for seven months after he was born. no, but I was I was young at the time, I was 24 youngish and I had a man planning on having children then. So I had no idea that that was a thing. And nobody had even told me that that was a thing. Like, you know, I had asked my midwives, you know, Yeah.

Kristin (06:24.29)
Hmm... Mm-hmm... Oof...

Kristin (06:32.974)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (06:38.636)
Yeah. Yeah. I knew that it was like, yeah, I mean, I know that people experience pain during sex, but I didn't know. I don't know what's more common, less common. I don't think that's talked about very much either. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (06:50.879)
No, I honestly don't really hear people talking about it other than myself, to be honest. But it would have, it's, reason I think it's so important to talk about is because yeah, my midwives had told me like, yeah, you have to wait six weeks, you know, postpartum to have sex. And was like, okay, six weeks postpartum, I'll be great. And I thought that there was something.

Kristin (06:54.062)
Yeah.

Kristin (07:01.398)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (07:05.376)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (07:09.474)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (07:12.463)
so wrong with me. was like, I thought that maybe sex would never feel good again, right? It was just, it was really challenging. And so I didn't need to have a conversation with my husband because he was like, experiencing this real time with me. And then that, you know, alleviated itself around, you know, after around seven months, and there could still be discomfort, but it was definitely way better.

Kristin (07:16.915)
Good.

Kristin (07:24.067)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (07:33.826)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (07:33.827)
And then our daughter was born this time intentionally, but she was born exactly two years after our son. And so, you know, then I had this two year old and a newborn baby. And yeah.

Kristin (07:47.729)
I don't know how I'm serious when I say I'm like And I don't it's just I'm like I can't fathom the amount of responsibility and work and like I'm so grateful for moms and my mom like I say this kind of like it's like a little joke, but not really because I You know when I get a puppy, I'm like, this is a lot of fucking responsibility

Jenny Braxton, She/her (07:57.583)
my goodness.

Kristin (08:11.63)
And like I'm all of this shit together and coating it for holidays and like stuff like that. And then I'm like, wow, my mom did for this for four kids. And that's that's the human being. I know that that's just, you know, a precious being. I'm like, it's a little different.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (08:21.192)
my gosh.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (08:26.421)
Yeah, totally. I knew it.

Totally, I was just talking with a friend and she was talking about, she's like, yeah, I'm so grateful my dad is taking my dog for me this weekend because I just have so much going on. I just like can't deal with my dog. And I was like, yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, that's so hard.

Kristin (08:45.39)
Yeah

Kristin (08:52.41)
I'm like, Lord, and not to mention like, this might be like a little side thing is like, but your identity within that, you know, or like, how do you like, you know, hang hanging on to like, who, or who am I in these new roles? And how do I also maintain like, sense of self and, and being a loving partner and having an intimate thriving sexual relationship, I could see where it would feel like a lot to like, especially, I mean, like after children.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (08:54.059)
you

Jenny Braxton, She/her (09:10.794)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (09:16.163)
Totally, Yeah, and you know, I think because I had my kids pretty young and because my husband and I were so new and he wasn't my husband at the time, but because we were so new in our relationship, in a way it wasn't like I was losing an identity, because I was still in the process of creating my identity. Like I didn't have a career, like, you know, I was still in this place of like kind of creating who I was. And so I was like, oh, I guess, I guess this is the identity I'm creating, but.

Kristin (09:25.869)
Hmm?

Kristin (09:32.586)
I'm going to

Kristin (09:40.662)
Yeah.

Kristin (09:44.45)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (09:45.325)
But yeah, but that definitely is a huge thing. And I know we're gonna talk about pussy centered living in a little bit here, but that's one of the core pieces of that is this of really like grounding into who we are as humans, as women and leading with that and not putting our children in front of us, not putting our husbands before us. Like we actually get to be the first and foremost and from there everything flows.

Kristin (09:51.15)
for sure.

Kristin (09:58.306)
you

Kristin (10:11.886)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (10:12.163)
But coming back to the whole like, like the healing part and the lost libido. And so kind of, you know, long story short, essentially, yeah, with, with the baby, with his toddler, that's where I really, I mean, I was just like exhausted. And so my, you know, yeah, my libido was so low. Because, like, even though I wasn't experiencing desire, because we always knew that this sexual connection was so important, like I always did prioritize it.

Kristin (10:15.468)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (10:26.456)
Yeah.

Kristin (10:41.09)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (10:41.803)
And so even when I wasn't feeling it, even when like, you know, I didn't really want to, like I still prioritize it because I knew how important that connection was. But I was also, and so then fast forward a little bit, I had, there was a big gap between my first two kids and my third. He's six and eight years younger. And so then I had my third child. And then once again, excruciating pain and sex, this time for a full year. And once again, I didn't tear, like it was a great birth, all of the things, but it was just.

Kristin (10:49.368)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (10:56.174)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (11:05.431)
Wow.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (11:10.633)
so excruciating. I mean, at that point, I would literally tell my husband, I was like, you should just go get a mistress because I don't want to like I want to have sex with you, but I don't want to have sex because this is just so painful. But thankfully, at that point, I I recognize like, okay, this is my body inviting me in deeper, like my body is trying to tell me something.

Kristin (11:17.774)
you

Kristin (11:22.122)
Yeah,

Kristin (11:31.918)
Mmm,

Jenny Braxton, She/her (11:36.491)
And so instead of just thinking like, there's something wrong with me. You're like, well, what's my body's broken? Like, no, what is my body trying to tell me? And so that was really the beginning of my own deep dive into my sexuality. And yeah, what my body was trying to tell me was like, there's a whole lot of stuff in here that wants to be looked at. You know, we just all we have so much shame and pain and wounding and trauma. And even if we don't have like super acute experiences of it,

Kristin (11:38.254)
Hmmmm

Kristin (11:45.026)
Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (12:06.339)
you know, like sexual trauma to our own personal selves, for example, like it's, it's, it's so embedded in our DNA, in the consciousness just in our whole culture that that we are experiencing this, no matter what our personal experiences have been, you know? Exactly, exactly, exactly. And so but the way that I see this, isn't a like, like, poor us, like we have all this shit in our sexuality and like,

Kristin (12:13.186)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (12:19.682)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, it's like in the bone. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (12:35.391)
It's like, no, this is like it's a portal of so much power and liberation. And I am grateful for the journey it took me on because not only now you know, now all these years later, are my husband and I still having like, like, literally, it's kind of this ongoing joke, or every time we have sex, I'm like, I think that was the best yet. He's like, you always say that. And I'm like, know, because it's always getting better.

Kristin (12:40.974)
you

Jenny Braxton, She/her (13:09.219)
I guess orgasm yet.

And all of this, like where we are now is directly because of the work that I did. And like this wasn't stuff like it's not like, you know, my husband and I went to like therapy and counseling or anything together. It was completely me taking full responsibility for my experience, my pleasure, my sexuality and doing the deep work to heal it.

Kristin (13:17.838)
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Kristin (13:28.536)
Mmm.

Kristin (13:34.898)
Yeah, love the reframe that you offered. wrote it down so that I wouldn't forget. Like the seeing the pain as an invitation for your body inviting you in deeper. I like, that is such a powerful reframe. Even like now, even earlier today, I I listened a little bit but then I also pumped a Benadryl because I was like, I woke up, I was just feeling like so anxious.

And I was like, I just, I'm like, yes. And like, I want to go back to sleep for a little bit. know? Yeah. So even like pain, anxiety, like just asking, I like the reframe of like listening or inviting in a deeper relationship.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (13:58.593)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (14:07.149)
Totally, yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (14:15.883)
Yeah, and I would say that in general is my philosophy in sexuality, but in any just like you were saying in our emotions, if we're feeling anxious, if we're feeling a certain kind of thing, like, yeah, it is our kind of default to like, I don't want to feel that like, I want to move away from that. But when we are willing to like go into it and to embrace it, like it is I see it as like a portal, right? Our pain is a portal into our pleasure.

Kristin (14:23.682)
Yeah.

Kristin (14:29.165)
Yeah

Kristin (14:34.284)
Okay.

Kristin (14:38.52)
Yeah.

Kristin (14:41.868)
Mm-hmm. I listened to a video not too long after this morning and it said something about anxiety. yeah, because I think it's, you know, I feel like I have a secure attachment style in times and then, but sometimes it gets triggered. Like I'm navigating like this really longing for someone to text me a lot. But I'm like, if I don't get it, I feel like fluttering. I'm like, I don't even want to admit that I feel that, you know.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (15:04.084)
Yeah!

Jenny Braxton, She/her (15:10.285)
Yeah.

Kristin (15:10.826)
and so, and I'm like, it's bringing up like some of those older wounds of like, you know, rejection or abandonment. And I'm like, okay, I've felt this before. It was like talking about like, I've felt this before. I've navigated this before. I trust myself to, for it to transpire and move forward, but I do feel like a little more tender today. yeah. And I don't know why, I guess that just needed to be said. yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (15:22.945)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (15:29.802)
Yeah, yeah

Jenny Braxton, She/her (15:34.965)
Yeah, well, I honor, I honor your tender parts. And yeah, for me, it's always just like, okay, like, what is it that this part of me needs? Like, what is this tender part of me needing? And if it is a little like, you know, validation or whatever that juiciness of receiving texts, it's like, okay, how can I just like, how can I validate myself? How can I like be there for this tender part of me?

Kristin (15:43.744)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (15:50.466)
Yeah.

Kristin (15:55.808)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was like, I tried to move, but some exercise went out for a walk and then it's like, okay, maybe I'll meditate for like five minutes. So I'm like, all of it. I'm like, it's still there.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:09.859)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kristin (16:13.262)
Okay, so I'm curious. It's good for me to just express it and say it too because I feel like if I don't say it or journal it or whatever, it just like kind of festers. And so thanks for allowing me to say it. And I'm curious what your…

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:18.273)
Like we could go into a whole thing around that, but yeah, let's go.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:27.916)
Yeah!

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:32.918)
Totally.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:36.693)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Kristin (16:41.346)
like kind of like first, you know, initiatory steps were after like, okay, I'm going to take full responsibility for my pleasure, for my sexuality. Like, was it a book? Was it a program? Like, I know, like, I want to lean into or steer the ship towards Pussy Center Living and like what that means or what that looks like. I'm curious, like how what the neck, the first transition or step was for you.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:47.063)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (16:57.784)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (17:01.463)
Yeah.

Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so I first just started kind of doing my own exploration. So I started, you know, there was some like different podcasts I love to listen to. Shameless Sex, you probably I'm sure you know Shameless Sex podcast, or maybe you don't. They're a great one. I don't follow her anymore. But at the time, Kim and Nami was another kind of entry entry portal. Yeah, I, I

Kristin (17:14.19)
Oh, I don't. Oh yeah. Right, do.

Kristin (17:25.474)
Mm-hmm. okay. I've heard her name. Okay. Okay.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (17:32.897)
like I have much respect for her, but for various reasons, like I recommend other people at this point, she that wasn't beginning portal for me. And then I can't remember how I got this idea. Some, maybe it was a book or something, but basically I decided to start doing my own self pleasure practice.

Kristin (17:37.613)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (17:52.098)
Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (17:53.695)
Well, there was okay. there were actually there were a couple definitely amazing books. One of them was a book by Sherry Winston that I always get the title wrong. It's like it's like I literally recommend this book all the time. I should totally know the title by heart. It's like the the my gosh, female anatomy, something about female anatomy. So bad. If you look up if you look up Sherry Winston, it'll come up.

Kristin (18:06.734)
Mmm.

Kristin (18:14.848)
I'll find it. Very Winston book. Okay, let's see. Maybe sex book. Women's Anatomy of Arousal. I've heard of that book and I haven't read it yet.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (18:22.819)
Here, I've got it.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (18:27.043)
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. And so and that was a big like reading that book was kind of my first epiphany of like, my gosh, something's not wrong with me or broken with me. Like, a I just don't actually understand my female turn on and arousal very much.

Kristin (18:40.503)
Hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (18:49.271)
And so I started doing my own self-pleasure practice and that was really powerful. I started recognizing like the shame and the guilt I was having around just my sexuality. just started through my own exploration. I started to become so aware of these limiting beliefs that I had. Like I believed, you know, unconsciously until it became conscious that my pleasure was my husband's responsibility, right? Like, well, if you wanna have sex, then it's your job to...

turn me on and get me going if you want to do this. And just having that realization and being like, wait a minute, if my pleasure is for me, my sexuality is for me, like that's my responsibility. And so as this was all kind of happening at the time I was also, I had started my business and I started off working as a coach to support women in empowered birth. So I was working in the birth realms.

Kristin (19:30.039)
Hmm.

Kristin (19:40.94)
Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (19:43.995)
not as a doula, like with the emotional psychological preparation for birth. And I came upon a woman named Sheila Kamara Hay whose whole thing is ecstatic birth. And at the time, I'd already had my three children. I was like, okay, yeah, birth is definitely like emotionally, spiritually ecstatic, but like, I don't know, that shit was really painful. I don't know about physically ecstatic, like, I don't know. But then I listened to her.

Kristin (19:47.437)
Mmm.

Kristin (19:55.193)
wow.

Kristin (20:09.868)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (20:13.751)
I was introduced to her at a birth summit and listening to her speak, was like, my gosh, because she was like, just like we can have painful sex or we can have wildly ecstatic sex with the birth. It's literally all the same body parts, all the same hormones, all the same pathways. We can also have painful birth or we can have wildly ecstatic birth.

Kristin (20:22.861)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (20:30.35)
Mmmmm

Kristin (20:36.183)
Wow.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (20:36.597)
and just listening to her, I still get it. I'm getting chills in my body right now, but I just had this moment of like, my gosh, she is right. Like, my gosh. So I ended up doing a year long course with her and through that I became introduced to Mama Gina and her book, Pussy, a Reclamation. so simultaneously I'm kind of doing my own work on my sexuality, just getting in touch with my pussy and.

Kristin (20:42.328)
Hey.

Kristin (20:52.91)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (21:03.371)
and call her pussy until I read Mama Gina's book, Pussy Reclamation. And then I'm also kind of opening up to the world of just pleasure through this ecstatic birth practitioner training course that I'm doing and learning about Mama Gina and her work. Because before that, honestly, like pleasure wasn't even a word in my vocabulary. I was like, pleasure? I'm like, I'm busy. I've got things to do. Like I completely valued productivity over the way I felt. And so that was just its own just like, what?

Kristin (21:05.645)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (21:32.911)
I ended up flying to New York and doing like a weekend with Mama Gina. One of her weekend experiences, actually the last one she did in person. and that was just life changing. And then reading her book, Pussy, that's where, that's where Pussy dropped in. And that word just dropped in for me. And I was just like, this, this is it. And so after that weekend with Mama Gina, I came home and I'm like,

Kristin (21:46.67)
Hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (21:55.553)
My life is different. I am changed. I'm a different person now. I want, instead of only talking about birth, I want to expand to working with sexuality in general. And it was, and it was around that time where I started getting this phrase that just popped into my head, pussy centered living. And it just like wouldn't go away. And I was working with a business coach at the time. And she was like, she was a very pussy centered coach actually.

Kristin (22:01.678)
Hmm

Mm-mm.

Kristin (22:13.122)
No.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (22:18.787)
And I told her, was like, oh my gosh, I think I need to kind of like, I don't know, start this new thing around pussy centered living. And she's like, that's the thing, pussy centered living. That's the thing. I was like, I think you're right.

Kristin (22:27.49)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (22:32.525)
think you're right, it is the thing. And then from there, I started the School of Pussy-Centered Living, which is my program. I taught it for a first time and then I encountered Leila Martin in her work. Ended up doing her year-long coaching certification in sex, and relationships. And that's definitely where it took my own personal sexual healing.

Kristin (22:33.838)
Wow.

Kristin (22:48.428)
Mmm, mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (23:00.191)
also to just like a whole new deeper level. So that's kind of the longish story of kind I hope that answers the question.

Kristin (23:01.486)
Okay.

Kristin (23:08.206)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know. was curious to see what the journey kind of looked like, you know? And like how...

Jenny Braxton, She/her (23:15.873)
Yeah, yeah, it's basically like I kept following the golden thread and the people and the things kept dropping in to support me on the way. Exactly.

Kristin (23:20.532)
Yeah. Yeah, like one step at a time. Yeah. What does it mean or look like for you or to live a pussy centered life? And then, yeah, like what does that look like or mean? Yeah, an embodiment. I feel like I have a, you know, a grasp on it, but I don't know if people tuning in at all.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (23:42.411)
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Totally.

Kristin (23:45.23)
No, yeah, even my mom, like we had a conversation not too long ago. She's like, I don't like that word because I said it or like would say something. She's like, it's just, you know, and then I even although this was a different type of conversation, I was chatting with someone the other night. He's like, I never got why people would call someone else a pussy whenever it's like the strongest thing in the world. And I was like, bird, right? Yeah. And I was a dude. I'm like, yeah, you're right.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (23:51.267)
Mm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (24:05.892)
Exactly. I'm like, I like that person. You should hang out with him. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. And that's why, you know, women like your mom hear that word and we're like, ew, because it has been used to degrade us, right? It's been used to call someone weak or less than or whatever it is. And as your other friend very accurately pointed out, like that is just so not true. Like literally pussy is like so freaking powerful and you know, the source of all life.

Kristin (24:20.205)
Yeah.

Kristin (24:25.409)
Okay.

Kristin (24:38.678)
Yeah, powerful, sort of all-life, resilient. So many things come to mind, or adjectives come to mind. Sexy, pernil. Life and death.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (24:41.667)
Totally. Totally. And as far as... Yeah.

And as far as using that specific word, like the way that I put it is like, if you, if you have like a visceral reaction to the word pussy and you're like, ew, I don't like that word or I'd never use that word, then there is healing available for you there, right? There is a reclamation because if we feel a certain way about it, like a not good way about it, it's because somebody else's has that power over the word and is using it against us. But when we can do our work around that and kind of excavate, is it?

Kristin (24:55.192)
Hmmmm

Kristin (25:01.422)
I'm gonna go to bed. I'm gonna go

Kristin (25:10.454)
Mmhmm, mmmm, ooh.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (25:18.239)
then we can be neutral around the word and then we can decide if we want to use, I mean, if you don't want to use pussy to describe, you know, that part in your body, like great, use a different word. It's totally fine with me. I, for me, pussy is the word and people will ask me like, why do you use the word pussy? And the simplest answer is because that's what she told me she wants to be called. Like she's just like, it's pussy.

Kristin (25:26.566)
Yeah.

Kristin (25:30.755)
Yeah.

Kristin (25:36.342)
Yeah, yeah.

Kristin (25:40.366)
Yeah, I'm like, maybe I need to get my mom this book. I don't know if she listens to all of, she listens to some podcasts, not all of them. Maybe I'll just drop it. yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (25:48.931)
I would highly recommend getting your mom that book. It's a really, I mean, it's a, I would highly recommend every woman read it. It is a really powerful book. But then, you know, it just comes back to like, okay, well we get to choose. And if you know, for me, like technically the outside of the pussy is called the vulva, right? The vagina is actually the inner canal and neither of those words really do it for me. Like I'm like, eh, not so much, not so much.

Kristin (25:57.486)
Thanks for watching.

Kristin (26:08.174)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (26:11.79)
Yeah. Yeah, no. It's not, yeah, they sound more clinical. And I'm like, that's not the kind of vibe or feeling I feel when I think of my pussy. I'm never Indian, but I don't want to miss it. Yeah. I get that.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (26:18.817)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. And when I say Volvo, it makes me think of like a Volvo. I'm like some like German car. Like that's not what I want to think of. Like.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (26:39.763)
Yeah, exactly. And I used to use the word yoni, you know, when I was kind of first in my reclamation journey, right? Which is a beautiful word. Like yoni is a beautiful word, right? It's like a beautiful, sacred word. But for me, like pussy, what it does, I'm like, I want to hear why you're laughing. I feel like you got some story about yoni. Yeah.

Kristin (26:44.469)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (26:49.292)
It is, yes.

Kristin (26:56.462)
No, just cut. Pussy feels more human to me, whereas sometimes the association or connotation with Yoni, it's like in this spiritual context or space. And I love the word, but sometimes I laugh at it because of the certain teachings or sometimes how it's presented. And I'm just like, fucking, fucking A.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (27:19.991)
Yeah, exactly, exactly what you just said. Because when I started using the word pussy I did, felt like you just said, like, yoni is ephemeral and divine and beautiful and sacred. And then it's like pussy, like, I love what you just said, it's human, it like grounds it into the body. And it's still like divine and sacred, but then it's also raw and gritty and bloody and just like, it's like the full spectrum of the feminine.

Kristin (27:25.623)
Yeah.

Kristin (27:32.974)
Yes!

Kristin (27:39.01)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a good way to look full spectrum, not just positioning it as one bow tie on a story or something.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (27:54.843)
Exactly, exactly, exactly. And so often, like the feminine is put in that like, in that box of just like, the lovely and the soft and the sweet and the law. And I'm like, that is only one little snapshot of the feminine. Like, I'm here for the full spectrum.

Kristin (28:00.754)
Hmmmm

Kristin (28:05.262)
Mmm.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, I had like a ragegasm not too long ago. Yeah, I was like, I think it was doing some like tantric dance and there was like a note or something that I heard and I was it was just like a reaction in me. That's like, don't tell me what the fuck I'm tired of people telling me what the fuck and just like the scream came out of me and it was like, it just kept going and going and it was like.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (28:15.242)
Ugh, so good.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (28:36.173)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (28:40.415)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I love that you brought that up because actually, our emotions are an essential part of of pussy and pussy centered living, right? Because our emotions are in the realm of the feminine. And we just like around our sexuality, we've also been taught that like our emotions aren't okay, like our emotions make us weak or hysterical, right? Like our emotions have been a way that they have repressed

us as women and also men, right? All of us are a mix of, you know, feminine and masculine energetics and men have been even more repressed in their emotions than we have. But it is, you know, we've been, we're so terrified to feel certain emotions and, know, especially as women, we've so many of us have been taught that like our anger is unacceptable.

Kristin (29:04.385)
Mmhmm.

Kristin (29:10.486)
Yeah, for sure.

Kristin (29:24.364)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (29:24.781)
Like it's really interesting for me, because when I'm, especially when I'm doing one-on-one work with people, there's always emotional excavation, right? Because if we want to shift beliefs, if we want to heal past pain, if we want to undo our trauma, we have to go through the emotional layer and we have to be able to feel and express our emotions. And it can be like literally so many people literally cannot express their anger.

so many women specifically because they have so much inside of them that's told them like, will not be loved, you will not be accepted if you let yourself show your anger. But when we can really be in the experience of our emotions and we can really express, not getting caught up them in our head on an intellectual level, but really feeling them in our body and letting them be felt and expressed, like there's a deep pleasure in that.

Kristin (29:59.832)
Hmm.

Kristin (30:09.422)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (30:16.015)
Just like you were saying with your rage gas, I'm like letting yourself be in that and express that, right? It feels good. Or even if we're in our grief, like deep grief and sadness or whatever it is, if we really let ourself be present in that experience with the connection to pussy, which is our root, right? There is pleasure available for us in that experience as well as like incredible healing and transformation.

Kristin (30:20.076)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kristin (30:30.296)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (30:41.614)
Yeah, I definitely feel like the more like some mad I've had several different like yoni yoni massage Whatever we want to call it Yeah, yeah, yeah pussy massage yoni massage like and they've been like so different and they're different Like expressions some it's not more of them started in like a healing capacity or a reclamation of curiosity or or ancestral stuff some of it

Jenny Braxton, She/her (30:49.091)
I call that pussy massage.

Kristin (31:09.912)
this might be my grandma's or something. And then also before like they became more pleasurable or and that type of thing. But I feel like doing that expanded my capacity to feel in all directions. some of the hardest ones, one of the hardest ones for me to feel has definitely been anger. And it's probably, don't know, know, decades of what good girl conditioning and that, but I'm like, I know grief and sadness and longing so well.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:11.329)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:23.273)
yeah. yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:29.272)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:33.173)
yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:38.881)
Yeah, yeah.

Kristin (31:39.79)
And then also like joy and you know, because there's a part of me It's like I want to experience all of my emotions But at the same time I'm like I get to choose what story I'm telling myself that affects my emotional state So it's this interesting like kind of dance between like I can choose a joyous life or I can choose this I'm not gonna then gate not feeling any of that because I've definitely done that before it's like if it's not a high vibe feeling Am I on the right path or frequency or you know?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (31:52.291)
Totally.

Yeah. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (32:05.155)
All right, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like so that's, yeah, that's really toxic, you know, teachings that we get in the yeah, a lot of like, you know, spiritual or conscious spaces. But I mean, and what you what you say is so essential, right, that that we do get to choose how we want to feel, which once again, is a pillar of pussy centered living. And just like you said, in order to actually be choosing it, like not just like

Kristin (32:09.667)
yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kristin (32:29.518)
Mm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (32:34.755)
I'm just gonna, you know, push all this stuff down and just pretend I'm feeling great. Like, no, that's not real. But in order to actually have the sovereignty to choose the way we want to feel, it actually requires us to first be present with what's actually here, right? If I'm feeling anxious or, you know, kind of like stressed or angry or sad, and I'm just like, no, I want to feel better. I'm just gonna look to the positive side and I'm gonna be grateful. Like, that's just like putting an ineffective bandaid over it.

Kristin (32:37.24)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-mm.

Kristin (32:46.647)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (33:03.565)
But if I can be present and be like, okay, what's happening inside of me right now? Like what wants to be felt? What needs to be expressed? And I'm willing to do that. And then on the other side of that, I'm like, okay, and now I'm gonna choose joy. Now I'm gonna choose pleasure. That's real and authentic because we're actually clearing and processing and integrating what was there alive inside of us and really authentically being able to choose that feeling state that we desire.

Kristin (33:03.672)
Hmm.

Kristin (33:09.987)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (33:16.546)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kristin (33:30.77)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And one of the harder ones for me to navigate to is probably anxiety. Yeah. And like I was, done like a little mushroom thing and was like laying on my floor because it was supposed to be a microdose, but it turned out to be a little bit more. I'm like, how do I measure that gummy? I'm like, and it was like.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (33:36.494)
Mmm, that's a hard one.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (33:45.003)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it happens sometimes. It happens.

Kristin (33:58.626)
love my anxiety too or like love this piece of me and like my coach or guy was like and you can have like boundaries within her you communication or pieces yeah like asking the part yeah so it's definitely yeah and you know I'm like is it anxiety or is it excitement like you know if it registers the same in the body I'm like hmm yeah it's interesting

Jenny Braxton, She/her (34:00.737)
Yeah

Jenny Braxton, She/her (34:09.73)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (34:17.249)
Hmm. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's so it's so true. Yeah, I find it. And, you know, I do find that anxiety can be a really challenging one for people like it's, it seems to be harder to kind of get deeper into the root of it for people a lot of times rather than like, you know, sadness or anger or something else. And it's just it can be so much more present for us. And it's also

Kristin (34:36.812)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (34:46.487)
Hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (34:47.299)
heightened by our modern lives, right? We're just living in a soup that is just like anxiety inducing. You know? Yeah, so it can be present like in a much different way than other emotions, I feel.

Kristin (34:49.166)
True. True.

Cool. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Like in like our go, go, go type of society and social media, all the things. I feel like, the rest is a rebellion. That's what yesterday, yesterday, I just came back and I was, you know, of course, I have like this list of things I want to do and I call it like my get to do list. But I was like, I don't like doing any of that shit. But sometimes I'm like, I'm not going to feel guilty.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:09.847)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:23.181)
Yeah. Yeah, I love that.

Kristin (35:31.662)
my rest today. I'm like, I can all wait till tomorrow. And I'm like, I'm going to actually rest, not scroll in my bed. Yeah, like I'm to go to the sauna. I'm going to take a nap. going to like, yeah, I asked myself and one of my teachers asked this. was like, okay, how can I make this moment more pleasurable? How can I make this? I'm like, okay, well, it would feel good to be horizontal right now or maybe have some dark chocolate almonds.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:33.111)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:40.701)
Totally, totally, totally.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:51.948)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (35:57.055)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Kristin (36:01.408)
or feel my senses out a little more.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (36:05.203)
Exactly, exactly. thus, and while we're kind of on this topic, I think it's really important for us to know that pleasure is something that we literally do have at our fingertips. And I mean, if we can go to the sauna and take a day off, like, yes, please, let's do that. And also we can tap into pleasure, no matter where we are, what we do, because really at its basic, it's kind of

Kristin (36:08.779)
Yeah.

Kristin (36:15.594)
Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (36:30.371)
it's an activation of our senses, right? So we can be in the middle of a full day and we can still use pleasure as an activation. Because pleasure is actually incredibly regulating to the nervous system. And so it really is in the way, it is, it's all medicine. so even just, once again though, like,

Kristin (36:32.92)
Yeah, I agree.

Kristin (36:39.854)
you.

Kristin (36:44.108)
Mm-hmm. It's all medicine. I it's all medicine.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (36:57.131)
you know, if I was if I was feeling anxious or something, and I'm like, Okay, let me tap into some pleasure to kind of like ease this anxiety or soothe my nervous system. It's going to be most effective if I first go into that anxiety. And I'm first like, Okay, where am I feeling this? What's going on? Let me breathe into it. Like what's underneath it? What's the story that's feeding this anxiety and doing a little of that excavation first and then being like, Okay, and now I'm gonna like, yes, stroke like I love one of my favorite things is like, hold my head like this. I'll just like stroke my

Kristin (37:08.649)
mhm.

Kristin (37:14.627)
the

Kristin (37:22.158)
Thank

Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (37:25.773)
face or like stroke my skin or I have like all of these like rocks and crystals and pretty things shells on my desk and I'll like pick them up and just like focus on that sensation. And even just taking these simple like that we can do in a moment right can really, really support us and even if it doesn't completely take the anxiety away, it can least be like working on that regulation of the nervous system and supporting us in feeling better.

Kristin (37:32.408)
Thank you.

Kristin (37:51.138)
for.

Yeah, I love like that five, four, three, two, one with the senses or like the, you know, five things that you see or things that you, yeah, three things that you, I'm like, touching, you know, or feeling like my clothes, the desk, the taste and smell. Sometimes those two ones are harder to pinpoint if I haven't remote like more recently.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (37:57.417)
Ooh, tell me. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Can hear or feel, yeah.

You

Yeah.

Kristin (38:21.272)
tasted something like, okay, I know I can have my saliva but. A watermelon electrolyte. Yeah, I'm curious.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (38:24.479)
Yeah, totally like let me take a sip of water and help myself out here. Yeah. that sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. And I will before we move on from anxiety, though, like I would say like a core core piece of why we have so much anxiety and women in particular is because we are disconnected from pussy.

from this core part of ourself and in this route, which is safety, right? Like the route chakra, our pussy like is where safety is. And so for disconnected from that, of course we're gonna have more anxiety in our bodies. And so obviously anxiety is like layered and complicated. It's not just like one simple thing. Like we said, just the environment we live in is conducive to anxiety. And also,

Kristin (38:58.828)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (39:07.118)
Okay.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (39:14.657)
Like, of course, we're gonna be so much more anxious when we are running around with these programs running in our unconscious that like, our bodies are not okay, our sexuality is not okay, it's not okay for us to be in pleasure, right? That that's lazy and sinful and frivolous. Like all of that is our core root causes.

Kristin (39:26.838)
Hmm

Kristin (39:31.95)
Yeah, for sure. I had like a pretty profound, I did like a ketamine series and because I was like my anxiety had heightened to a degree where I was like, this is not. And now I'm like, OK, I see like where it was inviting me in or like offering like, look at it, look at me. But I was like, oh, I'm like, I don't know where it's coming from. I don't know. You know, I I was in like a tantric journey. A piece of me felt a little anxious because I felt like I had self sabotaged a relationship in a way.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (39:37.548)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (39:41.324)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (39:47.213)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (39:59.553)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kristin (40:01.09)
or partially it was like honoring my, myself and my desires and also running. and I did this series with someone, ketamine series. And, the first one was like, cause I was having like some suicidal ideation thoughts when I was one in my car or garage. And I was like, wow, that's not like me. so I'm like, you know, red alert button button. And I'm like, let me try this and, what it.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (40:18.475)
Yeah, yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (40:24.984)
Yeah.

Kristin (40:29.998)
what it transpired over the course of like the eight to 10 sessions was basically, I think the first time I was in like a cornfield, I was like, why am I in this cornfield? Second one, cause it was like Oracle sessions for me was Stay For The Harvest. And then like later on it got to, I came out of it and I was like, it was something about wild woman. Like being wild and reclamation because within that relationship I had kind of.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (40:49.505)
Yeah.

Kristin (40:57.23)
positioned a bunch of my offerings to what I knew was me like, accepted. And there was like this anxiety or wild woman that could not be suppressed or denied. And my therapist had asked me like an integration session later on, she's like, do you think it could have been like the suppression of the wild woman that was causing the anxiety? And I burst into tears and I was like, yes, yes I did.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (41:01.761)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (41:07.415)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (41:15.841)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so profound and I would agree. Yeah.

Kristin (41:28.108)
Yeah, and since then I was like, you know, I'm like, no, I do like this is like part of my, you know, life and mission or compass, you know, or like weaving in certain elements and of different offerings. And yeah, so it's been it's been interesting because I it's like I thought I had had done a lot of it to that degree and then like kind of back into what I a pattern.

And then she's like, now you're creating this new groove or a new normal pathways.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (41:57.591)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's so just normal and part of how growth and healing works, right? That we just keep circling around the same thing, just like again and again and again. We're like, wait, I thought I did this. I'm like, now I'm doing it again. I'm like, wait, I thought I did this. I'm like, I'm just at this deeper layer. Like it's, yeah. Yeah.

Kristin (42:05.87)
Good.

Yeah

Kristin (42:13.708)
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm curious what you would suggest to someone that's tuning in or listening about like first a first way to connect with pussy or begin living a pussy centered lifestyle or what you recommend. Just take some of those first steps or initiatory.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (42:35.607)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love this question and really it gets to be so simple because at its core, mean, we're just, we just want to connect to begin. And so that can literally be as simple as closing your eyes or even keeping them open, softening your gaze and just taking a breath all the way down into your pussy and just

Kristin (42:54.712)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (42:59.287)
being open to what you might experience in that. maybe you don't really feel anything. Maybe you're like, can't even tell if I'm breathing into my pussy. Maybe there's numbness. Maybe when you do that, you notice your body kind of tensing, or maybe there's shame, right? And all of that is fine. And there's no judgment to any of that because it's really just the first step of just connecting.

Kristin (43:22.734)
Bye.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (43:23.295)
And literally it can be as simple as that. And that is one of the first ways that I started connecting is just closing my eyes and breathing into her. And when we do that, because part of what disconnection means is that literally there is a lack of neuro pathways in our brain connecting down into our pussy, for example, the place that we're disconnected from. And so even just by breathing into her, by being open to feeling sensations that are there,

Kristin (43:40.184)
Mm.

Mmm.

Kristin (43:47.854)
you

Jenny Braxton, She/her (43:51.415)
maybe even want to cup your hand over your pussy, even just over your clothes to help kind of guide your awareness. But as you do that, we're literally starting to make connections in our brain between our brain and our body, between our brain and our pussy. And so that is already literally creating a connection. And so then the more that we do that, right, that pathway and that connection is going to get stronger and stronger between our brain and our body, and it's going to make connecting easier and easier. And so

Kristin (44:00.543)
No

Kristin (44:06.444)
Hmm.

Kristin (44:11.438)
you

Jenny Braxton, She/her (44:19.283)
It's really about learning to tune into what we're feeling in this area. And once again, if it is just like, don't feel anything or I feel numbness, it's like, okay, well, let's be curious about that. Like, what does numbness feel like? And then over time, we are gonna start to awaken more and more sensation. then kind of a, know, and that's like, just like the simple basic thing. And then the next thing we can do is literally start to talk to her, which...

Kristin (44:31.458)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (44:45.251)
I get it might feel a little crazy or uncomfortable, but it's super powerful and I highly recommend it. And you can do it in your head. You don't have to speak out loud, but even just starting to ask like, like, what, do you want? Like asking your pussy, what does she want? Um, and just being open, like maybe you feel like you don't get any kind of response, but if you just keep tuning in, if you keep asking her, she is going to respond. Um, because no matter how disconnected or how numb or

Kristin (44:52.247)
Thank

Jenny Braxton, She/her (45:13.485)
how traumatized she is, like she wants your attention. And so when we start to give her our attention, like she is going to open to us. And we can do so much work connecting with her before we even go into the realms of like sexuality and, you know, touching her. There's so much connection that's available to us. And when we are ready for it, I do really recommend doing hands-on practices, self-pleasure practices. You you mentioned pussy massage. I love.

Kristin (45:29.421)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (45:37.622)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (45:42.017)
I think you were referring to actually having someone else do one on you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Which is great. If we can go to a practitioner and get that, like that's beautiful, but that's also, it's different because it's still someone else doing it to us, but doing our own pussy massage practices is a core thing that I love to share with people. Then, and we can just, you know, take those, take those baby steps, but yeah, that's, that's where I would recommend people begin.

Kristin (45:45.166)
I've done both. Yeah, I've done myself and then also, yeah.

Kristin (46:05.198)
Yeah.

I think that's a beautiful way to start. And I was curious if you could speak to and maybe about the shift whenever you do that or creating that own personal like pleasure practice or connection with your pussy and then seeing it transpire or how it shows up in your relationships or in your day-to-day life or like expanding the, I guess what's possible in life.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (46:34.936)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (46:39.555)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Riff on that a little bit. I'm like, makes everything in life possible. I mean, literally, like, I am just not even kidding. Like, it is the foundation. Yeah, I know, I totally like... Yeah, I know, I know.

Kristin (46:49.762)
I'm either. I'm laughing because it sounds like I'm out there, but I'm like, actually, if you want to be a trick with a turned on life.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (46:58.083)
Totally. People, we are not kidding here. We are so serious. Yeah, we are so fucking serious. But like it has made me, yeah, a better, like a better wife and in relationship, not because I'm like doing something for my husband different, but because I'm putting my pleasure first and the way that I feel first, that makes me feel really good. And so then when I am doing something with or for my husband, it's from my own.

Kristin (47:09.997)
Mmm.

Kristin (47:13.951)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (47:18.104)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (47:27.523)
pleasure, which is a huge paradigm shift from doing things out of obligation or duty or because we should. Like it is miles apart. So it's also made me a better mother. I, you know, being a mother has been beautiful and magical and also has been really hard. It was really hard for me to become a mother. It's not as fun as it looks. Sorry people.

Kristin (47:33.065)
I'm scared.

Kristin (47:45.55)
Yeah.

Kristin (47:53.804)
I don't know if I'm going to do it or not, but... Good. Okay, good.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (47:57.702)
If you ever need any real talk about what it's like to be a mother, you can come. I will give you a real talk. But reclaiming like pussy and my pleasure, once again, because like no longer am I, you know, putting the way that I feel last on my list. I'm now putting the way I feel at the top of my list. And so now I'm actually able to show up for my children and like,

Kristin (48:09.997)
Hmm

Kristin (48:14.83)
Mmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (48:20.567)
give to them from such, once again, from actually my own pleasure and feeling good rather than because I have to because I'm their mother. Honestly, I wouldn't have the business I have today without my connection to pussy. It is like this, I actually kind of forget what your original question was of like how does it shift things.

Kristin (48:38.22)
yeah, just like kind of naming, yeah, naming some of the shifts or what's possible whenever you start to create that. I like the ripple effects. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (48:42.773)
Yeah, yeah, well, exactly, exactly. Well, okay, well, what I will share here. So I also have my own podcast, as you know, the Pussy Center Living podcast. And I have one question that I ask everyone who comes on with me, which is what does pussy mean to you? And what's so beautiful, obviously everyone has their own unique answer, but it's always something that has to do with like,

Kristin (48:52.098)
Mm-hmm.

cool.

Kristin (48:58.466)
Hmmmm

Jenny Braxton, She/her (49:05.825)
She's my internal guide and compass, my intuition, my deepest knowing, my connection to something bigger, a portal to the divine, like all of things around that. And so when we're connected to our inner compass, to our guidance, to our intuition, to this portal to something greater, like of course that's gonna positively ripple through and affect everything positively in our lives because it's like...

Kristin (49:13.238)
Mm-hmm. Mm.

Kristin (49:26.456)
and here.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (49:30.947)
It's like we're taking the locus of our knowing and our validation away from something outside and we're putting it into this root core most powerful part of ourselves. And it just can't help but have ripple effects in every part of our life.

Kristin (49:45.836)
Yeah, for sure. It's kind of cliche saying as far as like pouring, know, when your cup is full, you can pour into others, but also it's like, true. You know, yeah. Or what I think of whenever you said, spoke, I was like, yeah, that self love or that validation, validation of oneself. Cause I know I've searched for it in myriad of different ways and probably tried a bare number, my more than my share. No, no.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (49:55.775)
It's so true.

Kristin (50:10.784)
I had to make sure. Yeah. Swung on this side of the pendulum, swung on this side of the pendulum. And I'm like, it does all start here.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (50:12.515)
Of

Jenny Braxton, She/her (50:23.523)
Gosh darn it!

Kristin (50:27.694)
Even though sometimes I still, know, I would say deviate or like I talked about earlier about the my Benadryl. like today, can I quiet it a little bit?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (50:36.931)
Yeah, I mean, we also get to use the medicines that are available to us, right? I mean, other than pussy, my drug of choice is cannabis.

Kristin (50:42.262)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kristin (50:49.848)
Yeah

Jenny Braxton, She/her (50:53.379)
Right? I'm like.

Kristin (50:55.47)
I'm gonna clip that.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (50:58.659)
please do. Here's another one for you like my pussy fucking loves cannabis like she does. And and but what's what's really cool though is because like I have been an essentially a lifelong cannabis user right like varying degrees over my life but like I used it

Kristin (51:00.942)
Kristin (51:09.198)
I love it.

Kristin (51:19.415)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (51:22.499)
pre pussy and I've used it post pussy. And so, and so I can definitely say that like my ability to feel good or shift my mood or like tap into this feeling state that I want. It's like, I mean, yes, cannabis can support me in there, but like it's nothing actually compared to what tapping into pussy can do for me. And then when you have pussy plus cannabis, like that's a good combination.

Kristin (51:24.302)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Kristin (51:33.998)
you

Kristin (51:41.198)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (51:46.126)
Yeah, no, I know. It's like speaking of like different sensations or I felt kind of like some psychedelic trippy. I love mushrooms. And so but I felt that kind of similar vibe or experience just through touch only. And so it's been interesting, you know, weaving. Yeah, I definitely like both too. I don't know if I've ever had a mushroom session with someone else and like a hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (51:56.344)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:02.701)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:08.173)
Yeah.

Kristin (52:13.806)
No, yeah, I guess like a little micro. I'm just like thinking out loud here. I did take some sex test before this for our podcast. I know we're kind of wrapping up on what we had allotted for time-wise. I just want to check in and see that you're all good and final. Yeah, some final thoughts or shares before we part ways for the day.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:17.431)
Yeah, totally, Totally.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:27.574)
Yeah, I'm good. good. don't have anything else right now.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:37.917)
Yeah, yeah. Do I have anything final? Let me tune into Pussy for a minute.

Kristin (52:40.588)
Yeah, do you have anything that feels, yeah. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (52:48.099)
I mean, the really like the thing that's coming up for me is just to like, like to follow those little impulses, right? To like listen, like if you're listening to this conversation and maybe, maybe you're listening to the last year's like, I still don't know about this whole pussy thing, but like if there's, if there's something there and maybe it's not like, once again, maybe pussy isn't the word for you and that's fine, but just like your sexuality. Yeah.

Kristin (52:54.796)
Hmm.

Kristin (53:08.812)
Mm-hmm. Maybe go Yoni!

Jenny Braxton, She/her (53:12.387)
Start with Yoni. She's a sacred gateway. You know, because literally Yoni means sacred gateway. And I'm like, yeah, she was a sacred gateway for me straight to pussy. Yoni was my gateway to pussy. But it's like, just like follow, follow it. Just like, just follow, just like tune into her and just like follow it. Even if it feels weird, even if it feels whatever, like, like just, just.

Kristin (53:18.331)
Yeah. Yes.

Kristin (53:28.926)
you

Okay.

Kristin (53:35.438)
Hmm.

Kristin (53:39.18)
Mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (53:42.323)
open yourself up and allow that next baby stuff to come your way.

Kristin (53:46.388)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I definitely will say within the last two years I'd say I've gotten more of a connection with my pussy and the amount of abundance and that has come in to from that I'm like somewhat in shock still In some way in some ways not right I'm like, duh But then I'm like mmm, yeah, just want to drop that

Jenny Braxton, She/her (54:02.507)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Kristin (54:14.124)
Maybe that's a little bait. My pussy likes money.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (54:16.011)
A little, yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, so does my pussy.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (54:26.315)
My pussy can be, she's, yeah. I'm like, she's very, my pussy is a very down to earth pussy. Like we being, like being outside and like in the dirt, in the garden, but like we also like the finer things in life. like we, we like. Exactly. Exactly.

Kristin (54:33.838)
Yes.

yeah. I love to my feet on the earth and I like to get a facial. And that taps into all of my senses and feels really nourishing. And I tell people, you know, someone joked the other day, was like, can I have my later 30s? And they're like, what? I'm like, yeah, orgasms and sunscreen. And I mean that jokingly, but at the same time, I'm like, yeah, I feel like the orgasms contribute to youthfulness or like anti-aging.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (54:51.169)
Exactly.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (55:00.205)
Seriously.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (55:05.601)
Yeah, I mean.

Kristin (55:07.918)
It's in your body. Yeah. okay. I didn't realize, what?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (55:07.947)
I mean, actually, literally, literally, like, I can't quote you the exact science on this, but like orgasms release collagen, like they literally supports our collagen production. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I mean, you know, keeping our hormones strong and healthy, right? Like that's the thing that contributes most to like beautiful skin and hair and feeling good. And our, and our like, healthy sexuality supports our hormones, right? The more sex and orgasms we have, that's actually supporting our hormones. So like,

Kristin (55:23.372)
Hmm.

Hmmmm

Kristin (55:32.782)
Jenny Braxton, She/her (55:37.507)
It's true. mean, I'm 41 and like I said, I've got three kids and people still don't really believe me when I say that. Like it's true. I'm like, Pussy Center living baby.

Kristin (55:43.542)
Yeah. Yeah, I don't.

Kristin (55:51.756)
yeah.

I freaking love it. Yeah, I guess I have one more question and then, because you mentioned hormones and I feel like that's something that I was thinking about before I came on is like, yeah, navigating that hormonal cycle and honoring and listening to my body at certain phases and then also honoring commitments or.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (55:59.938)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (56:14.306)
Yeah.

Kristin (56:20.346)
appointments or something and not feeling like a total flake when I'm like, but I really don't feel like going or doing the XYZ that I felt like it, you know, two weeks or a month ago whenever I made the commitment. Kind of like, how to balance or navigate some of that. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (56:28.876)
Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (56:34.861)
Totally, totally. How do you navigate that along? Yeah, well, I will say for me, not being flaky is a high value of mine. And so I am very, let's just say for an example that I was a couple of weeks ago and I made this commitment that I was gonna go do something and then it turns out that's the week of my period, right?

Kristin (56:46.04)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kristin (56:56.906)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (56:59.521)
which is definitely if we're gonna prioritize rest, that's the time of our cycle that it is really essential that we do it. And so if it was something like, I'm gonna go to just a whatever party, I'll be like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna let that go. Let's say it's my best friend's birthday party. And so I'm still gonna go. I probably am not gonna drink alcohol.

Kristin (57:05.272)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (57:12.813)
Yeah.

Kristin (57:17.399)
Yeah.

Kristin (57:23.5)
Yeah. Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (57:23.683)
I probably have a little bit of my cannabis, you know, like, but it's more like, okay, I'm still gonna go to this thing that I committed to because that commitment's important to me, but how am I gonna show up in a way that's also gonna honor where I am in my cycle? Like maybe instead of like going all crazy in my clothes, maybe I'm gonna wear it, maybe I'm gonna choose things that like feel more comfortable to me. Like maybe I'm gonna be okay with like being a little more quiet and not interacting with all the people.

Kristin (57:29.928)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Kristin (57:44.184)
Mm, mm-hmm.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (57:50.019)
Like maybe I'm not going to stay until the end and I'm going to leave, you know, after when my body tells me I'm tired. So it's like, I'm still, and even though that's the example, like I would say that's kind of how I navigate, like syncing with my cycle while also showing up for my commitments is that I am going to prioritize my commitments because that is important to me. But the way I show up for them, I'm going to kind of like shift that depending on where.

Kristin (57:50.05)
Hmm.

Kristin (57:58.126)
you

Kristin (58:03.938)
Mm-hmm.

Kristin (58:07.831)
Yeah.

Kristin (58:12.898)
Yeah.

Kristin (58:17.59)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It's like making that moment even like where you know talking about clothes to me that's like making that more pleasurable if it feels good and you're more comfy and like releasing pressure to be overtly or you know more social than Like that less forced energy versus like okay. I know I can just be And interact with like one or two people if I want Yeah

Jenny Braxton, She/her (58:18.901)
If that does that make sense or answer the question? Yeah.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (58:28.928)
Exactly.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (58:34.057)
Exactly, exactly.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (58:38.783)
Exactly, Totally, totally. Whereas if I'm in my ovulation phase, then you better believe I'm putting on the glitter and the feathers and the high heel shoes and I'm gonna like, go talk with everybody.

Kristin (58:47.349)
Yes.

Yeah. So true. There's been times in my life where I'm like, do I like him or am I just ovulating?

Jenny Braxton, She/her (58:54.883)
Yeah. You're like, it's fine. I'll just enjoy it for these three days.

Kristin (59:06.766)
Yeah. Awesome. I would love for you to share like where people can connect with you. I know you mentioned your podcast, Pussy-Centered Living. And then that's her Instagram too, pussy.centered.living, if there's any other place. Pussy. okay. I didn't realize that.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (59:15.052)
Yes.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (59:20.053)
Yes, three S's though on Instagram so that we can, just on Instagram so that we can get by the censorship. Pussy-centered living. yeah, it's real. It is so real.

Kristin (59:27.316)
Yes. Censorship. It is. is. A girlfriend of mine, you know, gave me a little bit of a reframe on it because I when I chose Sex, Drugs and Soul as a book title and then a later podcast title, I loved it. Right. So like, that'll make people curious. then the challenge of that has been censorship. And but she's like, yeah, think about, know, who was censored back in the day, you know, and

Jenny Braxton, She/her (59:47.959)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kristin (59:54.702)
So this is an opportunity to rewrite some of that. I'm okay, I'm trudging along. Yeah. Likewise.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (59:59.011)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I celebrate you. glad that you did not. I'm glad you did not water down the name for your sake of censorship. But yeah. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. know, honestly, like people will tell, especially like people who've been through the School of Pussy-Centered Living, will just be like, you know, I really want to share about this. I want people to come. like, you know, people are so, that name is so hard. Like, have you ever thought of changing it? And I'm just like, no.

Kristin (01:00:18.062)
Thank you.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:00:28.399)
I can't like this is just what it is like I just I will deal with it. Exactly, exactly. Or or the just like people like people because I get it like you might think the School of Pussy Center Living is something like I don't know more like fluff or whatever like we go if we go so deep, it's like such a deep transformational experience. And they're like, Don't you think you should have something that reflects that I'm like,

Kristin (01:00:28.628)
Mm-mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They can do it and not post about it on Instagram too. No. You it

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:00:55.787)
Nothing's more deep and transformational as PussyCenter Living. But as far as where to find me, yes, Instagram, Facebook. I am a little more active on Facebook, honestly. And then, the podcasts are all great places to connect with me.

Kristin (01:01:07.987)
okay.

Kristin (01:01:11.918)
Cool, awesome, yeah. Well, I've totally loved our conversation. I'm excited. Yeah, I'm glad we connected. And I don't know when exactly this will come out. But yeah, let me stop this.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:01:15.811)
Aw, same.

Jenny Braxton, She/her (01:01:24.685)
So good.